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Oct 2015
3:51pm, 15 Oct 2015
2,987 posts
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Jono.
no some of them were a bit thick shadowless - just from the right end of town, mind you not many left school with a job (in 1980 yts generation etc etc)
and lets be honest - going to the right school has become an extension of a parents social mobility - nothing to do what's best for the child.
Then the kids bump into the right people and get into the right firm.
mind you I wouldn't say that was true of kids who wanted to be doctors, scientists, engineer's - you have to be clever for that sort of stuff.
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Oct 2015
3:52pm, 15 Oct 2015
210 posts
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Shadowless Formless Legs
Ok Fozzy.
Bob is good at Geography and History
Jon is good at History and English
Lisa is good at English and Geography
Emma is good at Maths and English
Fred is good at History and Maths
This is a massively simplified example with only 5 kids and 2 specialisms.
How would you send these 5 kids to the right school for their specialisms on the 1 day a week?
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Oct 2015
3:53pm, 15 Oct 2015
211 posts
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Shadowless Formless Legs
"going to the right school has become an extension of a parents social mobility" - surely that's the best pro grammar school argument. The kids get there purely on merit.
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Oct 2015
3:54pm, 15 Oct 2015
7,329 posts
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rf_fozzy
"going to the right school has become an extension of a parents social mobility - nothing to do what's best for the child.
Then the kids bump into the right people and get into the right firm."
Precisely - it's another form of driving inequality.
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Oct 2015
3:57pm, 15 Oct 2015
212 posts
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Shadowless Formless Legs
Fozzy - this is an argument against the comprehensive system
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Oct 2015
3:58pm, 15 Oct 2015
16,737 posts
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DeeGee
You want to come to my school (One of the top comprehensives in the country, 3x Outstanding by Ofsted) you have to live in the catchment, which is the affluent suburbs and outlying villages with the half-million pound houses.
You live in the back-to-backs, your local school is the unsatisfactory one.
Therefore, your beloved comprehensive education benefits only those who can afford to live in the good catchments.
And the biggest clue is the fact that local estate agents advertise when a house is in a certain catchment.
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Oct 2015
4:02pm, 15 Oct 2015
213 posts
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Shadowless Formless Legs
Exactly the same where we live DeeGee. There's only 1 Ofsed rated 'Excellent' school in our area and it's massively more expensive to live in the catchment area of that school than anywhere else in the town (houses are approximately 50% more expensive).
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Oct 2015
4:02pm, 15 Oct 2015
7,330 posts
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rf_fozzy
SFL - You are both complicating and simplifying the picture at the same time and you are focussing on details and not the big picture.
It was a suggestion. Not a complete solution. And yes there are problems to be solved.
It would also require a different way of delivering education that isn't so dominated by pigeon-holing subjects into narrow windows.
Kids do 10GSCEs or whatever the new Gove nonsense is going to be (generally 2 of them are English and 2 Sciences), so that's 8 subjects to fit into 5/6 subject lessons (typical school lessons are 5/6 lessons per day roughly), so it's not impossible.
But as I say, it's not a complete solution - it was purely an example of how we could do "selective education" and benefit all students without forcing them to decide their future or be completely dominated by something that happens at the age of 11.
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Oct 2015
4:04pm, 15 Oct 2015
7,331 posts
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rf_fozzy
"There's only 1 Ofsed rated 'Excellent' school in our area and it's massively more expensive to live in the catchment area of that school than anywhere else in the town (houses are approximately 50% more expensive)."
Yes, that's the problem. It would be the same with Grammar Schools. We have to stop ranking schools. The artificial nonsense of that schools is better than that one is simply and extension of my car's bigger than your car, my dad's harder than your dad etc.
It's utter bollocks.
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Oct 2015
4:04pm, 15 Oct 2015
653 posts
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Cheg
Game, set, match Deegee and SFL.
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