Oct 2015
4:48pm, 15 Oct 2015
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rf_fozzy
Sorry, I was answering Premierfella's post. Jono - sorry beard inequality slipped my mind  Perhaps the worst of the lot....
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Oct 2015
4:51pm, 15 Oct 2015
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Binks
Interesting view on the history of how government took over education from the free market. And how literacy rates dropped. fee.org |
Oct 2015
4:54pm, 15 Oct 2015
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premierfella
I bow to your greater on-the-ground knowledge rf_fozzy. I suspect some might say that one voice from the centre rather than changing voices from the local (a lot of local government areas sway with the political winds at each election) might be seen by some as a positive. I'd also suspect that the bureaucracy and pressures are as much to do with academy schools being run as businesses rather than in the interests of the students or parents might have as much to do with that as reporting lines to the centre. Shadowless Formless Legs - I of course wasn't suggesting that Corbyn was pro-grammar, just that we've yet to have clarity on whether this is another area where Labour turn their back on New Labour policy and move policy back towards LEAs and comprehensives and away from academies. |
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Oct 2015
5:04pm, 15 Oct 2015
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rf_fozzy
Not very interesting, sorry Binks. More free-market dogma rubbish, building an argument on a series of flawed points without sufficient evidence to support the initial conclusions. As it states in their conclusion "we lack firm evidence" - and then they reframe the question in terms of the question that suits their conclusion. I also don't think a comparison of early-19th century New York is a fair comparison to a society 200years later. Otherwise we can point out that the Victorian age which was apparently was capitalist nirvana (it's always used as the example against renationalisation of the railways), that inequality was enormous and extreme poverty rife. A better comparison would be to compare within the current OECD and look at the literacy rates in the UK (which is rapidly adopting a psudeo-free market style model based on competition) with Scandinavian third-way socialist models. The Swedes do much better than us. |
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Oct 2015
5:06pm, 15 Oct 2015
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rf_fozzy
Yes, you're correct PF re: bureaucracy, but I'm told a lot of it is box-ticking/hoop-jumping from central govt as well. I.e. Ofsted crap. This is hearsay to some extent though. The problem with it being central govt controlled is the disruption/massive changes that each change in government or even education secretary forces on schools. As I say, at least LEAs buffered it somewhat and allowed some continuity. |
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Oct 2015
5:12pm, 15 Oct 2015
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Binks
Well I found it interesting anyway. We are all different. Unless there is to be a centrally decided list of what is interesting in the name of equality. Fits the narrative I already have in my head about government mandated education. However it shows a picture of how things were without government mandated education. Funilly enough it was not an apocalypse. |
Oct 2015
5:16pm, 15 Oct 2015
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Too Much Water
Different thread same hectoring, preachy style from fozzy.
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Oct 2015
5:22pm, 15 Oct 2015
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Tonybv9
I would suggest part of the reason parents spend money on tutors, is that there are so few spaces available that they become highly prized. Maybe if more selective schools were around the demand would be at least partly satisfied. I remember hearing an education expert who suggested the biggest single factor affecting a child's educational success is the attitude of the parents. So, your daughter is academically gifted. Do you A. Send her to the local mixed sex comp, where she can hang about with the kids from the local sink estate, and if she's lucky avoid getting pregnant before she leaves school. B. Do everything you can to get her into the girls' grammar, where she will most likely go on to uni? Looking at the secondary schools for our youngest was interesting. The catchment areas tell the tale of how good the school is. There's a single sex, ex grammar (one of the top performing state schools in Kent) with a catchment of 1.3 miles. The catchment areas get progressively larger as the quality of the school drops - about 4 miles was the largest IIRC. Interestingly, the grammars have a 9 mile catchment, to encompass some of the really deprived areas in SE London. Do you have children Fozzy? |
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Oct 2015
5:27pm, 15 Oct 2015
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Too Much Water
Tonybv9 - I see you live where I grew up and I can guess which schools you are on about.
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Oct 2015
5:29pm, 15 Oct 2015
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Cheg
I think the tutored kids get found out when they have to do it week in week out rather than train mindlessly for that one big exam.
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