24 Jun
7:33pm, 24 Jun 2024
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mrs shanksi
I voted yes in the AV referendum and I would vote in favour of PR.
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24 Jun
7:36pm, 24 Jun 2024
5,403 posts
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paulcook
simbil wrote: Cameron really is one of the worst ever politicians. Though I would argue, in this instance Cameron won! |
24 Jun
7:46pm, 24 Jun 2024
9,858 posts
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simbil
Yes agree, he wanted FPTP to win and it did. Then it begs the question if he wanted Brexit to fail, why wasn't the question stay in the EU vs hard Brexit? Reckon he played at least one of them very very badly 
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24 Jun
8:17pm, 24 Jun 2024
27,952 posts
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TROSaracen
There was no concept of hard/soft Brexit prior to the vote IIRC. ‘Soft’ Brexit only emerged as a way of potentially limiting damage. Didn’t Cameron ‘win’ the Scottish independence referendum too? |
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24 Jun
8:54pm, 24 Jun 2024
5,405 posts
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paulcook
paulcook wrote: Lib Dems have a good chance of being the opposition. I thought the official opposition was the party with most seats not in Government, i.e. it depends on who might be in coalition. Latest Lord Ashcroft poll (don't know how accurate he is), for example has Labour 507 LD 62 Conservative 29 SNP 21 Redfield Wilton got a near exact same result today. Only main difference is Labour as a slightly smaller lead over the Lib Dems. |
24 Jun
8:58pm, 24 Jun 2024
5,351 posts
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J2R
Lib Dems forming the opposition would be sheer delight.
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24 Jun
9:02pm, 24 Jun 2024
5,406 posts
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paulcook
Both those two polls today (albeit different recording dates) have Con/Reform on 36% combined but just 31-32 seats.
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24 Jun
9:57pm, 24 Jun 2024
9,859 posts
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simbil
Tro, there was lots of Brexit campaign chat about Norway model and Canada model and any other imaginable option if I remember correctly, many of them wishful thinking. I forgot Scotland, though to be fair that was one he won despite his campaign more than because of it! |
24 Jun
10:36pm, 24 Jun 2024
8,993 posts
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Pothunter
Was chatting to my neighbour this evening. She said she was voting Reform because Labour disgust her even more than the Tories do. She said she’d love Reform to be in power…
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24 Jun
10:37pm, 24 Jun 2024
21,693 posts
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Chrisull
I think fozzy argued something like it's a foot in the door for future PR debate at the the time of the AV referendum , which I agreed with then and agreed with now. (feel free to correct fozzy - I don't remember exactly) Yeah we get hung up on the "purity", because in a winner takes all scenario (as with Brexit), they get to dictate the terms. Funny thing is Tories if they end up with 80 (I don't think they will, I think they will be over 100, I've read up on the MRPs and their volatility and they are probabilistic scenarios - as fozzy has done on the right hand bar guess, should be within a range of possible outcomes.. (Although - stern look - not really with in the spirit of a guessing game tut-tut) Electionmaps ex-guru said that some people are going to be disappointed on election day given we've seen the worst case scenarios and are maybe expecting them. |
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