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Oct 2023
10:41am, 20 Oct 2023
61,584 posts
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Derby Tup
Farage is the best politician of his generation. He makes the rest look like amateurs in terms of achieving objectives
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Oct 2023
10:47am, 20 Oct 2023
3,481 posts
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paulcook
Exactly. Especially for a man never elected to Westminster despite however many attempts it is.
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Oct 2023
10:49am, 20 Oct 2023
29,718 posts
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fetcheveryone
7 attempts.
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Oct 2023
10:49am, 20 Oct 2023
31,102 posts
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Johnny Blaze
I take your point, although I would characterise him as a populist rather than a politician.
If he ever got the big job he wouldn’t last 12 months, because populists frequently crash and burn once they have the hard grind of policy definition and execution in front of them. That’s not really their bag, and they tend to get more and more extreme the more their incompetence bites them on the arse.
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Oct 2023
10:56am, 20 Oct 2023
20,981 posts
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rf_fozzy
SPR - you've fallen into JDAs trap then. It's performative moaning. Just like JBs continuining predictions of Johnsonian downfalls daily. Whatever the results in the by-elections, it's an excuse to moan that labour are too far to the right for some people's (including mine I might add) tastes. And yes, it's ok to point that out occasionally. Just not continually.
Or if you prefer, I'll will keep posting half-daily reminders of what a shit we're in when it comes to climate change....
Farage will *not* join the Tories. He would if he thought he would be PM. But to get there he'd need to be parachuted into a safe Tory seat (he's proven he's not electorally viable in marginal seats on his *personality* alone). He'd then have to be elected Tory leader as LotO and then win a GE.
That's a lot of work for a grifter - and he'd essentially be making no money on lucrative speaking circuits etc whilst doing it. He's as lazy as Johnson...
What he is an effective *campaigner* on single issues and right-wing rabble rouser. But I don't think he's an effective politician necessarily. But I didn't vote for Brexit, so I might be missing something. You'd have to ask someone who did vote for Nigel, sorry Brexit, on why they found his arguments appealing.
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Oct 2023
10:57am, 20 Oct 2023
23,893 posts
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richmac
But anyway, I agree that this spectacular defeat will galvanise Tories to redouble their efforts for the fight ahead. That fight being the next Tory leadership contest.
Or redouble their efforts to spend more time with family etc rather thn risk losing.
Think it was on R4 this morning the losing Tory in Tamworth sulked off the stage rather than make a speech. That's character for you.
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Oct 2023
10:58am, 20 Oct 2023
20,790 posts
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Chrisull
. The country is conservative. Historic election results prove that.
Actually no, there's only been 3 elections in the last 70+ years where the right wing vote collectively has outweighed the progressive vote. The last time was 2015. Every other time Lab + Lib Dem + SNP > Tories + UKIP/Whatever.
It's long been said that the UK public are actually more progressive than public give them credit for. I'm not going to claim that the UK public are a beacon of socially progressive and enlightened views, but the Tories in the SE are a lot more socially progressive than many would think, and on many societal issues, the public set the trends and the political parties have to follow. eg decriminalisation of homosexuality etc
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Oct 2023
10:59am, 20 Oct 2023
20,982 posts
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rf_fozzy
Well to be fair to him, the Tories have no activists to thank. As they've already paid the people delievering leaflets for their services...
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Oct 2023
10:59am, 20 Oct 2023
20,983 posts
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rf_fozzy
(x-post with Chris)
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Oct 2023
11:00am, 20 Oct 2023
10,175 posts
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Fields
Very few of the British public support the bombing of hospitals, churches, the starvation and blockade of civilians
But most politicians do.
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Fantasy General Election
Jul 2024