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Feb 2020
3:52pm, 4 Feb 2020
1,617 posts
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Surelynot
There's some debate in Scotland on whether Westminster or Holyrood has the right to call a referendum. The relevant legislation could be challenged in court should the UK government continue to deny a vote. That would be risky for both sides I think.
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Feb 2020
3:53pm, 4 Feb 2020
1,618 posts
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Surelynot
Too busy this afternoon to provide links.
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Feb 2020
4:17pm, 4 Feb 2020
19,134 posts
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DeeGee
You know that you can't use the legal basis of laws to challenge a government decision, though? That's soooooo antidemocratic.
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Feb 2020
5:17pm, 4 Feb 2020
9,516 posts
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rf_fozzy
Just been looking around at the commentary from *the experts* (yes, I know, we've had enough of them) on yesterday's set of negotiating guidelines/rules from the EU and the 'speech' setting out the UK's 'position' from Mr Johnson yesterday.
Needless to say the view was rather overwhelming that the Conservative position was (a) confused, (b) unworkable, (c) denying reality and (d) full of lies, plot holes and bluster (e.g. Dominic Raab's comments about no checks between GB & NI).
Where EU set out all the positions in detail, the UK filled out it's homework in crayon and on the back of a beermat.
So just making the same mistakes all over again.
And we're supposed to have a full working deal by July? Haha.
No Deal Winning to borrow a phrase.
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Feb 2020
6:10pm, 4 Feb 2020
8,379 posts
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simbil
It's not No Deal any more, that's so 2019. It's an Australian deal now.
With or without Australia's desperation for a better deal with the EU is anyone's guess.
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Feb 2020
6:19pm, 4 Feb 2020
321 posts
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Non-runner
I can’t understand why the Tories wouldn’t support Scottish independence, I mean, they would be guaranteed permanent rule in the remainder of the UK, with no chance of SNP votes counting toward a progressive alliance?
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Feb 2020
7:01pm, 4 Feb 2020
15,861 posts
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Bazoaxe
Fozzy, you need to be careful saying clearly a majority of Scots want independence when you have one poll as evidence. I am sure that wouldnt stand up to your usual scientific scrutiny.
Clearly its a thorny issue and right now Westminster hold the aces. I cannot see Sturgeon holding a wildcat referendum and if she did, it wouldnt hold up as people who dont want independence would be unlikely to vote.
I also doubt if the UK government would take the same action as the Spanish.
I think its more likely we wlil have a 2nd referendum IF there is an independence majority in the next Holyrood election. I am also quite confident that Scots will reject Independence again.
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Feb 2020
7:17pm, 4 Feb 2020
15,862 posts
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Bazoaxe
lol
SNP point out some EU lights on a building in favour of Scotland/Europe only for it to turn out the EU knew nothing of it and it was funded by the SNP.
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Feb 2020
7:43pm, 4 Feb 2020
2,591 posts
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HappyTimes
Bazoaxe I think the current reality is it is too close to call which way a second Independence referendum would go just now (largely speaking it's been 50/50 the last couple years give or take a couple percentage points). For a workable independence that's too close. The argument needs to be won far clearer and have the support of many more previous No's if Scotland ever wants to go ahead independently successfully.
These recent years show us one thing if nothing else. When important matters are so close to call it only becomes divsive and nobody truly gains no matter the outcome of vote.
Maybe for any future votes that mean a dramatic change to status quo there should be a pre set over 60-65% required, otherwise we stay as is.
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Feb 2020
8:11pm, 4 Feb 2020
8,380 posts
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simbil
Amen to that.
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Jul 2024