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Feb 2020
12:21pm, 4 Feb 2020
1,613 posts
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Surelynot
I don't think it's unreasonable that the power to hold a referendum on Scottish independence should reside with the Scottish electorate.
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Feb 2020
12:25pm, 4 Feb 2020
10,613 posts
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Markymarkmark
But how granular can or should you get? What if Skye wanted to secede from Scotland, or Orkney wanted to become a separate Kingdom again?
For that matter, why not an Independent Yorkshire, or even an Independent Ainsty?
Passport to Pimlico comes to mind. 
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Feb 2020
12:30pm, 4 Feb 2020
1,614 posts
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Surelynot
Why not? Organise and agitate for Independent Ainsty.
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Feb 2020
12:33pm, 4 Feb 2020
23 posts
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JR
For anyone advocating for another Scottish referendum and saying that it is down to the Scottish people - how exactly would that be defined? Resident in Scotland at date of referendum? or not? I have colleagues who have lived most of their lives in England or Wales but have very strong feeling on Scottish referendum and their families still live in Scotland. Do they have a say or not? If not, and it's current residents only of Scotland in surely that results in foreign nationals who happen to now live in Scotland as residents having a say while those born in Scotland don't? Whose best placed to decided? I have no answer but I really don't think it's as simple as asking the "Scottish" people.
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Feb 2020
12:49pm, 4 Feb 2020
13,437 posts
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richmac
That's the first question to get debated though isn't it? who is eligible to vote. I'd say primarily those who live there and would be affected regardless of place of birth. Those who chose to leave, well they chose to leave so not really any of there business anymore is? I don't demand to have a say in the running of the company i left 5 years ago. you can feel as Scottish as you like but if you left, you left. And the same goes for 2nd/3rd/4th gen scots (like me) living in England.
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Feb 2020
12:55pm, 4 Feb 2020
6,300 posts
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jda
That's hardly a new question. There was a ref in 2014 after all.
(The answer is residence, or perhaps more precisely being listed on the electoral register, though that still leaves room for debate over age limits and non-UK nationals. The franchise already differs for local, national and EU elections.)
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Feb 2020
12:55pm, 4 Feb 2020
33,161 posts
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LindsD
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Feb 2020
12:56pm, 4 Feb 2020
19,129 posts
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DeeGee
Fascinated that my comment 19127 has been discounted as "bitter ridiculousness" when it looks very similar to an argument printed on the side of a bus a few years ago. Was that slogan also "bitter ridiculousness", or is it just that national sovereignty and taking back control from a political union that nobody voted to join is only fine if you're English?
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Feb 2020
12:58pm, 4 Feb 2020
33,162 posts
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LindsD
Do you perhaps fancy driving your cart into the muck? [expression for letting something go to the dogs]
SUVs at discounted rates from SIXT
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Feb 2020
12:58pm, 4 Feb 2020
33,163 posts
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LindsD
Sorry - got separated from the (hastily done) translation.
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