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Jan 2020
12:28pm, 22 Jan 2020
9,470 posts
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rf_fozzy
Lavery is using that attack line because if Starmer withdraws, RLB would be favourite to win. And of course, she represents the type of hard left purity, pro-brexit politics that Lavery favours.
There's nothing more to it.
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Jan 2020
12:37pm, 22 Jan 2020
10,120 posts
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larkim
But its so simplisticly sexist as a line - the sort of latent sexism that I am aware that I might offer from time to time, and recognise on reflection or sometimes when I get brought up on it. Believing one sex or another should have the rights to a role is inherently trying to point out that there are stereotypical gender characteristics which are either being promoted or being evidenced as being overcome by the specific individual.
Best candidate for the job should be the only criteria. By all means refer to the symbolism of finally choosing a female leader, but anything which suggests that the gender of the leader is anything other than symbolic is just sexist.
I appreciate that the journalists have over-played the remarks (the calls to step aside are really "I want this candidate to win, and I'm so confident in them that I think other candidates should step aside to make it even easier" rather than really meaning "Step aside for a woman, any woman, you shouldn't have the job because you're a man")
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Jan 2020
12:38pm, 22 Jan 2020
15,686 posts
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Chrisull
JDA - I'm seeing several other articles from the Corbynite left, on why Starmer must be stopped because he's a) not working class and b) votes against the left and c) was part of the "chicken coup" (NB I hate that term and not impressed by those who used it, any leader worth his salt would have resigned, we're in the state we are because Corbyn continued to stand and went to his doom). So yes the old Corbynites are looking for one.
He should win, and deserves to win.
larks - Actually I'd argue Nandy is better known than RLB. RLB has only just be pushed to the forefront of the Labour party in the last few months of 2019, when the Corbynite left realised they needed a successor. She has only been a member of the Labour party for 9 years.... which I think makes her unsuitable to be a candidate to leader. (Mp for 5 years) Also some of her views (such as the abortion ones informed by her Catholicism) are not quite in lockstep with a progressive party let's say. We've already had a problem with entryists, and it's not impossible she could be one of sorts.
Nandy served in Corbyn's first shadow cabinet (education? or business??) until the "chicken coup" in which she resigned. I don't always agree with her, but she's articulate, concise, and makes a good case at times. For me Starmer 1st, Nandy 2nd.
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Jan 2020
12:41pm, 22 Jan 2020
27,225 posts
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macca 53
What Chris said (although my ex-MP seems to be one of Keir Starmer’s inner team).
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Jan 2020
2:55pm, 22 Jan 2020
10,127 posts
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larkim
Maybe Chris, I can only point to her personal level on the radar with me. When she announced her candidature I said "Who?" to myself!
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Jan 2020
3:01pm, 22 Jan 2020
6,181 posts
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jda
Wikipedia says "son of a nurse and toolmaker". Do you actually need to have worked down the mines to count as working class, cos if so labour's going to be very short of leadership candidates in a few years.
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Jan 2020
3:14pm, 22 Jan 2020
10,128 posts
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larkim
I'm afraid on the abortion issue I find it difficult to find that I must align myself politically on that subject. Whether it is a function of my (also) catholic upbringing, or not, I would argue that that should be a non-political matter on which all MPs vote on their own consciences - we're fortunate in the UK that it doesn't polarise the debate on broadly party lines in the same way that it does in the US.
However, I'm not too far from disagreeing with RLB on the equalisation route. As a father to a disabled son, I'm not for a moment going to argue that we should agree that the world is a better place because people with disabilities are born into it (there is a huge financial cost for some disabilities, and the quality of life for some severely disabled people is almost non-existent in extreme cases).
But equally I don't believe that the broadly accepted right (accepted by society) that a woman can choose to abort a foetus up to 24 weeks should be applied in a discriminatory way between the disabled and the able bodied foetus for terminations after 24 weeks. Though there will be plenty of cases where diagnosis happens a lot later on and where termination might be an appropriate medical route to be allowed for.
Anyway, this election is already taking far too long! Roll on the post-Corbyn era!!
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Jan 2020
3:17pm, 22 Jan 2020
19,078 posts
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DeeGee
Given that the island ran out of fish and coal decades at the time of Nye Bevan...
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Jan 2020
3:18pm, 22 Jan 2020
19,079 posts
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DeeGee
That was for jda, #6181 above, and not larks #10128!
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Jan 2020
7:16pm, 22 Jan 2020
3,502 posts
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mr d
Is RLB acceptable to non Corbynites as Starmer appears toxic to the left.
It also looks like it's going to go on for another six months, helpfully distracting everyone from the inevitable Brexit shitshow.
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