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Jan 2020
11:22am, 15 Jan 2020
19,057 posts
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DeeGee
And I feel more strongly about my area being subsumed back into into a Greater Hull conurbation than I ever did about the UK being in the EU.
Grimsbexit, I say!
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Jan 2020
11:39am, 15 Jan 2020
205 posts
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Stander
Grexit?
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Jan 2020
11:55am, 15 Jan 2020
19,060 posts
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DeeGee
Grexit was the risk of Greece being forced out of the Eurozone, wasn't it?
I can't keep up with the shorthand, it's like all these political scandals that end in "-gate". So, for instance, if there were to be some political wrongdoing involving scurrilous goings-on at The Watergate Hotel, it would be called something like Watergategate.
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Jan 2020
12:10pm, 15 Jan 2020
15,762 posts
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Bazoaxe
I am Scottish (*) and get quite annoyed when I can only choose British as an option.
(*) many nationalist will claim I don't have the right to consider myself Scottish as I don't agree with their point of view.
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Jan 2020
12:14pm, 15 Jan 2020
5,813 posts
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Northern Exile
Whereas I'm English and wouldn't dream of choosing any other option than British 
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Jan 2020
12:23pm, 15 Jan 2020
10,030 posts
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larkim
Agreed, NE - on the few occasions when it happens I recoil at having to describe myself as English. It doesn't help that English to me smacks of football hooliganism, xenophobia etc too.
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Jan 2020
12:28pm, 15 Jan 2020
15,765 posts
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Bazoaxe
but you are English....
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Jan 2020
12:29pm, 15 Jan 2020
6,712 posts
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paul the builder
I think that, for many English people, English and British are *pretty* synonymous. I mean we *know* they're not the same, but we can slip between them without it triggering a particularly different feeling. Whereas I think (?) for Scottish, Welsh, and Northern Irish folk, *their* 'local' nationality feels significantly different from British (even if they are perfectly happy to consider themselves British). Did I explain that anything resembling clearly?
Example - there's a BBC. And then regionally there's a BBC Scotland (and BBCW, BBCNI). Along with about 15 different English regional versions. That all makes sense practically of course, nothing sinister implied.
But it just slightly reinforces the link between British and English, and separates British from Scottish (etc.).
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Jan 2020
12:40pm, 15 Jan 2020
10,032 posts
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larkim
I can't deny my Englishness, if that means someone born / raised / living in the region called England. But it means nothing to me.
I do understand the issue of a sense that "England" dominates the UK, and arguably that's reinforced by not having devolved English powers so that the administrative regions of England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland have some parity and consistency. It doesn't help that the UK parliament permanently sits in London. Would a roving Parliament with permament establishments in Scotland, Wales and NI (say for 6m at a time?) help to reduce that perception? There's the obvious imbalance in terms of population size and economic contribution to the UK overall when the four home nations are put side by side of course (and how contribution is attributed to each home nation is contentious in itself of course).
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Jan 2020
12:45pm, 15 Jan 2020
5,814 posts
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Northern Exile
Can't say I agree Paul, I identify strongly as being English and feel I have the same patriotic stance as anyone from Scotland, Wales and NI. However, I am a Unionist and being British and all that means hugely overrides any allegiance I might have to the fact I was born in England. This might be a consequence of my forces background, where men from the other home nations served shoulder-to-shoulder with me, I feel we are one nation and - at risk of being even more inflammatory than I have been already - want things to stay that way.
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