Oct 2015
10:01am, 26 Oct 2015
443 posts
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Tonybv9
I saw that programme Duchess. The other point was that the recommended serving of cereal was far smaller than what the average person actually eats, so the per serving figures are not so useful for those foods. That's what I meant when I said I use the /100gm figures. I agree that a can of drink should be labelled with the sugar content per can, as people drink the whole can. I love Marmite, but my tastebuds tell me it's high in salt, so I spread it thinly. People seem to to cope with much higher concentrations of sugar. Sadly, what's needed is that rarest of commodities, common sense. Let's hear it for Grape Nuts... |
Oct 2015
4:57pm, 26 Oct 2015
1,220 posts
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Spleen
I think I once weighed out a bowl of the "typical portion" of cereal and it was tiny. If I ate that much, I would be reaching for the biscuit tin by 10am. Maybe they had in mind those mythical families who eat cereal "as part of a balanced breakfast" - you know, the one in the adverts which has plates of buttered toast and slices of grapefruit everywhere, like you'd get in a posh hotel. Ignoring the fact that if you had the time / inclination to make yourself a lovely breakfast like that, you wouldn't be eating cereal. I eat cereal because I am not married to a 1950s housewife, I can't be arsed to get up early to make breakfast and I don't feel like fruit in the morning anyway. And the "30ml of semi-skimmed milk" that they always assume would get the top layer of cereal damp and that would be it. Surely everyone pours enough milk that they can submerge a spoonful of cereal before bringing it to the mouth, otherwise you might as well eat the stuff dry. While I was in Canada I bought a bottle of blackcurrant soda in a sandwich shop. Its sugar content was equivalent to an entire meal, about 25% of the average RDA. It was delicious, but I left about half of it in the bottle. Disturbing to think how easy it would have been to drink the whole thing and do that every day. On that subject, the WHO has told us that bacon causes cancer. [insert joke about remembering when the WHO rebelled against society with songs like My Generation instead of lecturing us about vegetables here] bbc.co.uk |
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Oct 2015
9:19am, 27 Oct 2015
5,317 posts
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Too Much Water
Is it right that an unelected body of cronies who get 300 quid a day just for signing in, block the will of the government, which has been democratically elected by the people? In my eyes they have undermined democracy! I believe the government has passed this twice in the commons and the lords is acting unconstitutionally by blocking government finance measures |
Oct 2015
9:49am, 27 Oct 2015
8,065 posts
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Chrisull
TMW - It probably isn't right, BUT two things - one the House of Lords is in dire need of reform, proper reform (abolition?) not just flooding with Tory, Labour or Lib Dem peers, maybe the Tories will be forced to act on this, and two if they had tabled it properly through a Finance Bill allowing it scrutiny in the Commons first, they'd have a much stronger leg to stand on. Simply poor politics from Osborne, and these cuts are ideological and didn't need to be made, and the exact same amount of money could have been raised/saved by 1) No inheritance tax cuts 2) No lowering of higher rate threshold and 3) no lowering of corporation tax and 4) finally the tinkering with stamp duty in favour of buy to let landlords: newstatesman.com |
Oct 2015
10:15am, 27 Oct 2015
6,953 posts
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simbil
Is it a finance bill or a welfare bill? The Lords are entitled to block welfare bills. Didn't the tories vote against Lords reforms last term? Probably a bit rich of them to bleat on about it being 'unfair' in that case. Same old BS, things are unfair when they work against you but fine when they work with you. |
Oct 2015
10:39am, 27 Oct 2015
18,388 posts
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Derby Tup
It's not financial. Question is why didn't the bastards, sorry, our elected government make it financial
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Oct 2015
10:41am, 27 Oct 2015
18,389 posts
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Derby Tup
bbc.co.uk
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Oct 2015
10:44am, 27 Oct 2015
8,066 posts
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Chrisull
It wasn't a "bill" at all but a "statutory instrument" which isn't as large as a full blown bill, but effectively gave the Lords a free pass at voting it down.. newstatesman.com So it seems all the "constitutional crisis" is complete blather, it's been used before to vote down statutory instruments in 2000 (twice), 2007 and 2012. Didnt hear the Tories moaning when it brought down Blair legislation... |
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Oct 2015
10:49am, 27 Oct 2015
18,390 posts
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Derby Tup
Aren't the Lords there as a "back-stop"? The statuary instrument was unfair, ideological and plain wrong. I was impressed with the debate I heard on radio yesterday. The Lords has gone up massively in my estimation. This could become Osbourne's poll tax
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Oct 2015
11:32am, 27 Oct 2015
223 posts
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Shadowless Formless Legs
Don't be fooled into thinking that the people who stood to suffer most from these cuts were people in full time work. The people who stood to suffer most (and I use the word suffer only in the sense that they are given less free money that they haven't earned) - are people who (as a household) work less than 21 hours a week, and arguably are the people who could most easily work a few extra hours. These are the people who the papers have been banging on about losing £1300 / year. Basically the governments approach was expecting people who work 21 hours a week to work an extra 4 hours a week. Taking them up to a backbreaking 25 hours a week to maintain their income level. It's hardly the oppression of the poor that the papers would have you believe. |
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