Sep 2019
11:55am, 26 Sep 2019
40,539 posts
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Diogenes
"fed up of doing that elsewhere numerous times." Where? Not here, that's for sure. The current government, more than any other in the past in this country, is happy to fuck us up for their own advancement and enrichment at any cost to the country as a whole, and to the individuals who live here. Read about Johnson and Jennifer Arcuri (thread on Twitter by @nicktolhurst is a good source) for a clear illustration. It makes me both angry and disillusioned. It almost seems like a revolution is required with these self-serving vipers put up against a wall and shot. |
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Sep 2019
11:57am, 26 Sep 2019
40,541 posts
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Diogenes
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Sep 2019
12:21pm, 26 Sep 2019
3,335 posts
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Raemond
The way 'emloyment' figures are currently calculated is so different to every previous reporting period of the last 50 years that comparison is utterly useless. The poverty is calculated, however, has not changed substantially - and the levels of the people living in poverty INCLUDING MANY COUNTED AS 'EMLOYED' under the new definition, has been steadily increasing. Everyone, even as previously mentioned some who are in favour of doing so, agrees that this will get worse if the UK flounces out without a deal. |
Sep 2019
12:40pm, 26 Sep 2019
2,294 posts
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TomahawkMike
Wow Dio. I don't sit her surprised though
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Sep 2019
12:40pm, 26 Sep 2019
2,295 posts
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TomahawkMike
*here
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Sep 2019
1:06pm, 26 Sep 2019
8,182 posts
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simbil
Consensus that leaving without a deal is economically bad (to some degree, for some length of time) is one of the few areas of common ground in the Brexit debate. So doesn't that mean we should as a nation do everything we can to get an agreeable deal rather than give up on negotiations and do a no deal? We can at least extend and have a general election that has a chance to produce a parliament with the numbers to decide one way or the other. We could also ask the people directly. That would take some more time, but everyone agrees that any benefits of leaving will take many many years, so there is no mad rush. It seems the most mindless thing we could do would be throw up our hands in exasperation and impatience, and then flounce off. Sure that is the response of many people disinterested in politics and wanting to move on, but it doesn't move us on - it just makes the negotiations we have to have with the EU anyway much harder. |
Sep 2019
1:21pm, 26 Sep 2019
5,293 posts
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jda
There's no point talking sense to the death cultists.
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Sep 2019
1:44pm, 26 Sep 2019
15,276 posts
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Chrisull
stander - yep, I don't think zero hours contracts should be banned, they do definitely benefit some people. But when they are used by large corporations in lieu of giving people permanent employment - or guaranteed contract work - and then used to bolster job figures in the economy, that's what I have an issue with.
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Sep 2019
1:53pm, 26 Sep 2019
32,484 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
Now, now, no need for name calling!  Stander has made his point, to be fair, numerous times. He accepts there will be some negative economic impact for some considerable time. He just believes that the change in status for the UK is worth it - not being tied to EU laws, removing risk of ever closer integration with continent etc (again, paraphrasing his previous answers, so apologies if misrepresenting.) There's no point in keeping repeating "but, but, but... you're wrong". You can say "I don't believe on balance that those changes are worth the economic cost" but that's an opinion, a belief, not a fact. Anyhoo, here's a question that I can ask a Leaver who is prepared to accept No Deal: do you think there is a risk of increased violence in Northern Ireland because of more obvious borders between NI and Eire? And if so, do you think that is an acceptable cost of leaving? |
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Sep 2019
1:53pm, 26 Sep 2019
5,295 posts
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jda
See also: people in full time jobs (perhaps even more than one job) but such low salaries that they are still heavily dependent on benefits in order to make ends meet.
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