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Sep 2019
11:39am, 16 Sep 2019
2,268 posts
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J2R
Flattered to be thought of as intelligent, HappyG! And yes, you're right, I should have worded that better. What I meant was the candidate most likely to keep out the Conservative, on the basis that a Conservative candidate is now pretty well de facto a No Deal Brexiter (this now being effectively party policy).
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Sep 2019
11:42am, 16 Sep 2019
32,376 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
I think if you've got a John McDonnel, Keir Starmer, Nick Brown, Emily Thornberry or a Tom Watson candidate who is strongly in favour of Labour backing Remain then I think you're OK.
But if it's a Labour Leaver, Stephen Kinnock, Caroline Flint etc. then vote against them, surely? Any other candidate, even a Tory Remainer (who might that be?) ?  G
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Sep 2019
11:42am, 16 Sep 2019
2,269 posts
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J2R
The other point about the Lib Dem position, which I meant to mention, is that it's absolutely clear-cut and simple, and that's possibly the only thing which will now work. In an ideal world, rational debate, allowing nuanced positions, would have got us somewhere by now, but that whole idea seems quaintly old-fashioned now.
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Sep 2019
11:43am, 16 Sep 2019
2,307 posts
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Fellrunning
I think it's about voting for the least worst option. I'd rather a Remain candidate got in in my constituency, but I'll vote for whoever can beat the lunatic we currently have. So if it's a soft dealer then I'll hold my nose and do it
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Sep 2019
11:45am, 16 Sep 2019
2,270 posts
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J2R
My inclination from a general political point of view would be to vote Lib Dem in a GE. But my local MP is Clive Lewis, who I think is one of the 'good guys' of Labour, and fiercely anti-Brexit.
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Sep 2019
12:08pm, 16 Sep 2019
8,672 posts
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larkim
My wife's perspective on it is that, despite the local position being inconceivable as being anything other than a straight red / blue fight, she can't bring herself to vote for a prospective MP that would give support to Corbyn even though our local MP is a remainer in principle. So she would vote Lib Dem for their clarity, even though that might weaken the Labour MP's hold on the seat as she voted for him last time.
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Sep 2019
12:40pm, 16 Sep 2019
15,219 posts
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Bazoaxe
larkim, that's the dilemma many voters will find themselves in and its not a normal GE to cast a vote on with so much going on
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Sep 2019
12:46pm, 16 Sep 2019
5,200 posts
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jda
We've certainly come a long way from the days when Nick Robinson could say "there are no longer two sides".
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Sep 2019
1:18pm, 16 Sep 2019
2,271 posts
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J2R
larkim, I have the same quandary your wife has. I really don't want to give my vote to Corbyn, who would use it as evidence that I support Lexit, but I do want to give it to a local MP from his party who is a firm remainer (like the vast majority of his constituents). It's a pretty safe Labour seat, though, and has been in Labour hands for the vast majority of the last few decades, although did go to the Lib Dems from 2010-2015 (since when, curiously, the Lib Dem ex-MP, a good runner, has become a friend of mine).
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Sep 2019
1:43pm, 16 Sep 2019
9,129 posts
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rf_fozzy
So the racists and xenophobes outrage over the (charity funded) RNLI giving 2% of their funding to overseas aid to teach children to swim seems to have rather backfired....
Why is it Brexit party and nodeal Tory types get *so* upset over this stuff.
Andrew bridgen (MP) was *so* confused and addled that he was claiming that the RNLI was tax payer funded. It's not.
It should be, but it's not.
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