Aug 2019
9:42am, 15 Aug 2019
14,983 posts
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Chrisull
Also Roland Smith on Twitter (former Leaver) posts this thread from ardent Brexiteer/no-dealer Pete North, as an example of the current mindset of Leaver/Brexiteer thinking (not ALL leavers or Brexiteers). twitter.com Choice quote from a big rant: "The question is not whether we can afford #Brexit. The real question is whether we can afford to keep these scumbags in operation. They might have a point if the status quo was delivering but it certainly isn't. Every major policy areas is in crisis. The time bomb is ticking." Who are these scumbags? Later on we see it's Caroline Lucas, Greta Thurnberg and Jeremy Corbyn - so a single Green party MP, a 16 year old campaigner with asperger's and the leader of the opposition who will never get in power and can't even unite his own party in a confidence vote. These are the so-called "elites" that Banks, Farage and Johnson rail against. People who've never held a governmental position in their lives. Whether you like/agree with them or not, they really aren't the enemy. But, because they dare to raise their voices on the climate, on eating meat, on austerity and challenge those who line their pockets from the above. With no dealers, It's like dealing with children - they don't like being told what to do and will break everything to get their way and then glory in the destruction. They aren't pretending no deal will be in any way beneficial to the country, they know it won't, they just want to screw over everybody they don't like. |
Aug 2019
10:29am, 15 Aug 2019
2,171 posts
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J2R
Like I said, a lot of Brexit support isn't really about Europe at all, it's about sticking it to the liberals, and the crashing of the economy is a price worth paying (until it happens, of course). Clever move by Corbyn today. By making it clear that he would be in favour of a government of national unity as long as he leads it, he ensures that a crash-out Brexit occurs (which he wants) but that he doesn't get blamed for it. |
Aug 2019
10:43am, 15 Aug 2019
9,015 posts
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rf_fozzy
As was obvious to most people (but a point often raised by the right, particularly during the EU migrant crisis - a crisis I might add, of it's own making) - there is *NO* link between terrorism and migration. twitter.com |
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Aug 2019
10:51am, 15 Aug 2019
9,016 posts
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rf_fozzy
On a similar theme: twitter.com If anyone has access to the Washington Post, I'd be interested in seeing their analysis (for anyone who can't see twitter, the authors calculate that when a perpetrator is a muslim, it is 488% more likely that they'll be labelled a terrorist. 488%!!) |
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Aug 2019
10:54am, 15 Aug 2019
14,985 posts
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Chrisull
Corbyn almost plays a blinder. Probably should have done referendum first, election second and offering to standing temporarily down for say Keir Starmer, would have had the Lib Dems self destructing. But still this will ask the question is Swinson a "Meatloaf" remainer (I would do anything but I can't do that...). I suspect the answer is yes, she's too right wing to back Corbyn, even temporarily. Labour swinging behind Corbyn, Jess Phillips backing it today. Even neutral commentators such as David Allen Green (still a Leaver in theory) say this is the only realistic way of stopping it.... |
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Aug 2019
11:09am, 15 Aug 2019
2,172 posts
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J2R
The problem is that pretty well nobody from the Conservatives is going to get behind Corbyn, even if the GNU is absolutely time-limited and single issue. And there are enough Labour No Deal fans, like Hoey, to scupper the GNU idea if there aren't the Conservative rebels there. We're going down, folks. Britain has decided it's too difficult to steer the Titanic away from the iceberg. |
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Aug 2019
11:11am, 15 Aug 2019
14,988 posts
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Chrisull
Hoey and Mann are the big doubts, the rest will back Corbyn. Still with a 1 seat majority, any kind of illness can scupper that vote.
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Aug 2019
11:13am, 15 Aug 2019
9,017 posts
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rf_fozzy
Actually it's currently a 3 seat majority. Jared O'Mara is currently not taking his seat. In theory he's resigning in Sept, leading to a by-election which the Lib Dems will win, but because he's not yet resigned, there's no date for the election. |
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Aug 2019
11:37am, 15 Aug 2019
14,990 posts
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Chrisull
Damn. Of course completely correct, he's been a complete waste of space, that a little due diligence from Labour, could have been avoided. Even the Tories alleged sex criminals can be relied on to vote for them.
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Aug 2019
12:26pm, 15 Aug 2019
8,307 posts
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larkim
I agree J2R that JC has nailed the coffin of avoiding no deal now. The one thing less democratic than the Bojo way forward would be a government headed by JC who has no electoral mandate to govern. Utterly idiotic move, and one likely to make it easy for the Tories and the DUP to line up behind the government in a confidence move. I despair. It is lost. |
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