Aug 2019
3:08pm, 14 Aug 2019
275 posts
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deslauriers
"Spin tactics". I think you mean outright falsehoods. But, yeah, I know, you never believed them and neither did any of the 17.4 million. Even though none of you has ever explained why you want to leave, none of you were influenced by anything in the media. You all did your own research even though none of you can point to that research that explains why leaving is such a great idea. In other news, it seems Hammond is now the leader of the opposition. |
Aug 2019
3:17pm, 14 Aug 2019
4,937 posts
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jda
Fellrunning, one thing I have always tried to avoid is predicting in detail what is going to happen (and I note that those who have tried, have failed on a regular basis). What I have said, and continue to believe, is that brexit is unlikely to happen. I wouldn't say it is completely impossible, there are number of ways that events could line up such that it did come to pass. But it's unlikely. In the medium term, one very plausible route forward is another delay/extension (which could be forced/encouraged via a wide range of mechanisms), quite possibly followed by a GE with Johnson basing his campaign on the notion that he really wanted to do a no deal brexit but parliament has stopped him. That certainly seems to be what Johnson is angling for.
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Aug 2019
3:24pm, 14 Aug 2019
33,555 posts
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Derby Tup
bbc.co.uk Can you imagine voting for this clown? He gets more like Trump everyday. I heard IDS on the wireless this morning going on too and just wanted to slap him. Lord. Help. Us. All |
Aug 2019
4:17pm, 14 Aug 2019
2,201 posts
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TomahawkMike
I see Nancy Pelosi might have put a big spanner in the works regarding a trade deal.. theguardian.com |
Aug 2019
4:37pm, 14 Aug 2019
2,169 posts
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J2R
It will be good if her comments get some coverage. But the US trade deal is a big red herring anyway - there's very little which a free trade agreement with the US would provide us with which we don't already have, and it would fall miserably short of what we would lose from EU trade. But the reality is that it's not actually being proposed as a real solution, as with absolutely everything the No Deal brigade come out with. It's just PR, just something to sound good to the public. These people know the facts, they know it's nonsense, but they know the public will likely swallow it. And this is what confounds me. All I see from the No Deal politicians are PR things, spin, no actual attempts to come up with working solutions to the real problems they know for certain will occur. What do they expect will actually happen? |
Aug 2019
4:40pm, 14 Aug 2019
11,977 posts
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richmac
I'd say its a new low for Johnson implying Remain MP's are like the vichy government but it's not really is it. What a twunt. I mean't to put it to the panel, about Caroline Lucas saying men are to tribal to form a cabinet. She is entitled to her opinion, but isn't her stance just the same a bloke say women are to emotional (or whatever) to.... |
Aug 2019
4:43pm, 14 Aug 2019
2,278 posts
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Fellrunning
Sorry jda I was just posting my thoughts. No dig intended.
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Aug 2019
4:45pm, 14 Aug 2019
2,170 posts
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J2R
richmac, yes. Horrifying own goal, as far as I'm concerned. I'm convinced that a large part of the Brexit support isn't actually about Europe at all, but a culture war thing, people hating what they see as 'political correctness' all around them and seeing a vote for Brexit as a vote against that (as indeed it is, in many respects). Something like Caroline Lucas' suggestion is just really going to get up their noses.
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Aug 2019
4:50pm, 14 Aug 2019
4,938 posts
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jda
Of course FR, never crossed my mind to think otherwise. And I agree that there's not much chance in predicting the details of what will happen though it is sometimes fun to speculate. An unexpected illness etc in the HoC could turn a vote in an unpredictable manner. |
Aug 2019
4:55pm, 14 Aug 2019
3,034 posts
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Raemond
It's similar in some respects, richmac, I'd say. I ought to read her exact comments on it before shooting my mouth off, but there's probably a case to be made that the traditionally, and still, male dominated culture of British politicking is indeed overly tribal, with the implication that there's a causal relationship between the too. Much like various commentators have argued that the sometimes (or even often) unhelpfully adversarial style of British politics to date is also probably related to it's male dominatedness. There's soooooo much further debate to be had about whether those qualities (tribalism, adversariality*, etc) are [i]inherently[/i] male or just a feature of the toxic construction of masculinity which is perpatuated by the patriarchy and TV ads that talk about real men never crying, being useless at child care, and eating lots of meat.Or whether women are really inately more sensitive or collaborative, or we've just learned that we'll be punished for not being so we've been practicing for most of our lives and often gotten quite good at it. Personally I'm in the 'men probably aren't inherently more X than women, over all, but we've done a very good job as a society training them to be so and now have to deal with the fact that they often are that way in practice' camp. *this is definitely a real word. definitely. |
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