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jda
jda
Aug 2019
12:42pm, 15 Aug 2019
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LOLling at the knees jerking in here. There's an awfully long time between now and the end of October.
Chrisull
Chrisull
Aug 2019
12:53pm, 15 Aug 2019
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larks - 3 votes ain't a lot. Of course you just need say a couple of Tories to cross the floor, say Phillip Lee, Guto Bebb - Lee has said he'd wait to September before making a final decision.

And then despite Swinson's bluster, they may well abstain on key votes rather than vote against, and if similar amounts of Tories do the same, such as Hammond, Clarke... The arithmetic remains in Johnson's favour, but not so much anyone can be confident about calling what happens next.
larkim
larkim
Aug 2019
1:12pm, 15 Aug 2019
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The problem remains that Bojo needs to do nothing to leave the EU, and other parties need to do something. Confidence vote remains the most likely option to change anything, whereas the inability of parliament to come up with a plan B means, I suspect, that it doesn't matter what the arithmetic is in relation to the overall majority, nothing binding will be produced.

Only a general election will create a pathway forwards, though I wouldn't like to bet on whether that is Brexit or no Brexit.
rf_fozzy
rf_fozzy
Aug 2019
1:31pm, 15 Aug 2019
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Not read this in detail yet, but it's interesting.

yougov.co.uk

As ever, binary outlooks are unhelpful in describing reality!
J2R
J2R
Aug 2019
4:40pm, 15 Aug 2019
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jda, I appreciate it's not over yet. What I find utterly dispiriting, and baffling, though, is that it's anything like as close as it is. I appreciate that the Conservative Party has gone completely bananas and has been completely taken over a rabidly xenophobic Little Englander ideology, which has always been there but has hitherto formed a bit of a lunatic fringe with little real power.

The politicians opposing the Conservatives are the ones I really don't understand, though, fiddling and fussing with little party political games, as if unaware of the scale of the disaster ahead of them. The verdict of history will not be at all kind to these people, and there will be a complete bafflement as to how they did not do everything in their power to avert the disaster. And almost certainly, if Corbyn facilitates a crash-out Brexit and the handing over of the country to the forces of the hard Right, he will be seen as the worst Labour Party leader in history by a large margin, and a betrayer of the causes he purports to represent on a scale which will put Ramsay MacDonald in the shade.
Chrisull
Chrisull
Aug 2019
5:05pm, 15 Aug 2019
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Twitter news bits:

Guto Bebb explicitly backs PM Corbyn to stop no deal

Boles, Grieve, Letwin agree to meet with Corbyn to discuss his plan

but ex-rebel Caroline Spelman backtracks and now backs Johnson
leaguefreak
leaguefreak
Aug 2019
5:10pm, 15 Aug 2019
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I suspect they only care for their immediate reputation. They will be long gone by the time history can form a balanced view and in the meantime they can spin it to blame the EU.
J2R
J2R
Aug 2019
5:30pm, 15 Aug 2019
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The thing is, I reckon the Corbyn thing might be able to be tweaked somehow to make it work. But I really don't believe he wants it to work. He wants Britain to crash out, and for all the people who lose their jobs, their homes, whatever, as a result, to blame it on the Tories and come flooding to Labour in any ensuing election. Then he can build a socialist paradise out of the ashes. This strikes me as utterly reprehensible, so I do hope I'm wrong about him.
SPR
SPR
Aug 2019
5:54pm, 15 Aug 2019
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The GE in Corbyn's plan solves nothing.

Have a referendum, if the people want no deal then give them no deal.
Bob!
Bob!
Aug 2019
6:25pm, 15 Aug 2019
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SPR
Hopefully that will be the 'tweak' that the LibDems can get out of this.

Or would they find a reason not to support it, as once a referendum happens then there (current) reason for being will have gone,

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