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Aug 2019
9:33am, 16 Aug 2019
3,064 posts
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Raemond
I'm mostly irritated that corbyn's suggesting GE before 2nd ref. It's arse backwards - at the point 2nd ref on remain or no deal, once we know the outcome and parties can campaign for a GE on where they'll go from there.
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Aug 2019
9:51am, 16 Aug 2019
2,179 posts
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J2R
Yes, I'd prefer it the other way round too. But I don't think at this point it's as problematic as it once would have been, because Corbyn has specifically said that Labour would be calling a 2nd referendum and campaigning to remain, so it's much more clear cut what the parties' positions are re Brexit. Effectively that makes a GE a kind of quasi-referendum.
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Aug 2019
9:52am, 16 Aug 2019
28,987 posts
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SPR
No he hasn't.
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Aug 2019
9:55am, 16 Aug 2019
2,204 posts
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TomahawkMike
No one is too sure where Corbyn stands. That's the problem.
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Aug 2019
9:58am, 16 Aug 2019
28,988 posts
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SPR
As it currently stands, if Labour win a GE, they will try and negotiate a red brexit. That is current policy until it's explicitly changed.
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Aug 2019
10:02am, 16 Aug 2019
3,065 posts
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Raemond
As a card carrying (actually I'm waiting for my new card to be issued, but it'll go in my little card case along with the loyalty cards and ANWB memebership when it arrives) Lib Dem I should probably be fine with a GE that's effectively a 2nd ref as we're the only party that has been adamantly in favour of remaining the entire time and we're enjoying a resurgence because of it.
Having a 2nd ref before a GE would probably hurt our chances by negating our biggest USP. But a GE as de defacto 2nd ref would be too messy IMO, with tory and labour memberships still so split it wouldn't be easy to tell if they were being supported because of their leave/remain policy or despite it.
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Aug 2019
10:04am, 16 Aug 2019
2,206 posts
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TomahawkMike
So not really an opposition but more of a different flavour of the same side in terms of the brexit stance. Even the arch Tory brexiteers would probably settle for his favour of brexit rather than no brexit.
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Aug 2019
10:13am, 16 Aug 2019
4,952 posts
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jda
As I've already said, it's well-nigh impossible to have a ref before the next GE, as it will take forever to argue over the question and as long again to actually hold the ref and in the meantime the govt will have to be making all sorts of policy decisions that it will not be capable of agreeing on (meaning: it will collapse at some point during this lengthy process).
All a caretaker govt could plausibly manage to arrange is to delay brexit for a GE and (in the case of labour) promise a ref on any result of a future negotiation. There isn't really another workable plan going down this route.
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Aug 2019
10:16am, 16 Aug 2019
4,953 posts
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jda
SPR, labour's newest promise is that if elected they would try to negotiate a red brexit but promise a ref on the outcome of their negotiations (without stating which side they would campaign on). It's not perfect but it's good enough for me at this point.
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Aug 2019
11:12am, 16 Aug 2019
2,180 posts
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J2R
My apologies, looking back on what was in the Corbyn letter I see that it was not as I suggested - it was a 'public vote on the terms of leaving the European Union, including an option to Remain'. Don't know where I picked up the idea that that's what they were going to campaign on. Still think it puts them more in the Remain camp than they were but yes, still uselessly ambiguous.
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