Aug 2019
4:32pm, 16 Aug 2019
2,183 posts
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J2R
(Although of course we will no longer be in the EU).
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Aug 2019
9:29am, 17 Aug 2019
39,348 posts
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Diogenes
2016: TURKEY ARE JOINING THE EU!!! Scunthorpe votes 68.68% for leave 2019: British Steel in Scunthorpe goes into administration because of Brexit Turkey buys British Steel Scunthorpe and saves 4,500 jobs |
Aug 2019
9:32am, 17 Aug 2019
4,068 posts
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1step2far
Dio I had exactly the same thought. The irony.
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Aug 2019
9:34am, 17 Aug 2019
39,350 posts
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Diogenes
I have to admit to seeing this on Twitter, it’s not my original thought.
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Aug 2019
11:49am, 17 Aug 2019
2,220 posts
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TomahawkMike
Ooer... Now this would be ironic.. irishtimes.com |
Aug 2019
1:15pm, 17 Aug 2019
14,997 posts
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Chrisull
So - Ken Clarke as temporrary PM? Not a hope and I couldn't sanction a Thatcherite who doesn't EVEN want to remain but wants to accept May's deal (that is his official position). Have we lost collective sense here? As for Swinson and the Lib Dems. She voted WITH the Tory whip between 2010-2015 MORE times than Michael Gove and Jeremy Hunt. You might as well have Gove as PM for me if that's gonna be the case. I'd prefer Gove tbh. At least hes honest about his intentions. On the list of whip voters she finished just below that well known other wanna-bee Lib Dem. Rory Stewart. Judge them on their actions not their words. Corbyn may have got his tactics slightly wrong with ref after GE (still time to adjust it). BUT he is the only deal in town, because a) he is defacto opposition leader like it or not, so he will get first bite and forming a govt b) to admit otherwise is to hand the Tories a massive coup - ah look he's not even fit to govern a temporary short term government. c) the numbers work out best for him, like it or not as his shadow cabinet will all back him and would NEVER back Ken Clarke.. So currently we have SNP, Plaid Cymru, Greens who would all back him. Also several lib Dems (Layla Moran, Sarah Wollasaton) to name but two. Also Tory Guto Bebb. The Lib Dems number 14. Change number 5. So if it's about numbers the best game in town is persuade the wavering Lib Dems (Swinson, Umunna - despite his personal beef) to back and the rest will follow suit. Change are former Tories in Soubry and Allen anyway, so they were always going to vote Tory. Unsurprising news: that won't make up the numbers. Also unsurprising news: no other combination will get close as the shadow cabinet (34 positions) won't back Clarke EVER. You want to waste time persuading 34 shadow cabinet members to get behind Harman/Clarke? AINT GONNA HAPPEN. Wake up and smell the coffee. Are you a meatloaf remainer or not? (I will do anything but I won't do that) Corbyn is the only game in town, much as it pains me to say it. The only other hope is that he appoints another Shadow cabinet nominee to get Swinson to swallow it. That would have to be Keir Starmer, but as a likely future leader and threat to Corbyn/McDonnell left hegemony, I can't see it. And it's not the first time Lib Dems have tried to tell Labour who to appoint (remember Clegg and Brown? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/apr/26/nick-clegg-hung-parliament-labour). It is suicide to let a smaller party dictate that. For Corbyn to admit he is divisive is to admit he is unelectable. Unsurprisingly he won't do that, and nor can you expect him. Either join Labour and oust him in a membership ballot, or vote for someone else in the general election. But if you want to stop no deal in the meanwhile, pick the one most likely to get the numbers. And that is the leader of the opposition. |
Aug 2019
1:56pm, 17 Aug 2019
28,997 posts
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SPR
Backing brexit with a deal was sensible given the referendum result. Ken Clarke has been pretty vocally pro EU.
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Aug 2019
2:03pm, 17 Aug 2019
4,961 posts
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jda
Ken Clarke's brexit plan is one that keeps us in the SM and CU, which as far as I can tell absolutely everyone thinks is worse than the status quo.
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Aug 2019
2:10pm, 17 Aug 2019
28,998 posts
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SPR
Is any plan better than the status quo? It was the plan that got the most backing from MPs. theguardian.com Clarke is committed to accepting reality, as he sees it. “Unless and until I can see an opportunity of actually reversing Brexit and restoring a stable membership of the European Union, then in the real world I concentrate on minimising the damage,” |
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Aug 2019
2:20pm, 17 Aug 2019
4,963 posts
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jda
I don't think any plan is better than the status quo, but at least the "independent trading nation" options allow for the possibility of some benefits to be set agains the cost. And depending on your attitude, you might consider "sovereignty" and/or "no immigrants" to be worth an economic penalty.
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