Feb 2022
12:59pm, 21 Feb 2022
36,312 posts
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SPR
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Feb 2022
1:13pm, 21 Feb 2022
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J2R
SPR, from the article mentioned:
When Seiler advocates polarized training, he’s talking about entire workouts: “I class a session as either hard or easy,” he told Runner’s World in 2019. “If I do an interval session, even though the effort and heart rate will fluctuate, it’s hard. If you run four times a week, no matter the length, if one run is hard then that’s a 75/25 split.”
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Feb 2022
1:21pm, 21 Feb 2022
36,313 posts
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SPR
I think it comes back to all interval sessions being hard in what Seiler does though. If you look at continuous running as the opposite of intermittent training, it's obvious that either can be hard, easy or in-between.
This is the problem with simplifying what you observe into a formula like 80/20 and then basing training advice on the simplification.
The athletes observed weren't simply doing easy and then hard intervals in the proportion of the formula. There's a lot more nuance to their training that happens to fit into the formula.
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Feb 2022
1:34pm, 21 Feb 2022
4,090 posts
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J2R
Well, yes. As I said, I regard my EIM sessions as being effectively like easy sessions in the polarised training model, even though strictly according to Seiler's own terms they're not. The whole thing is, as you say, a lot more nuanced.
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Feb 2022
2:28pm, 21 Feb 2022
36,314 posts
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SPR
TBF to Seiler I'm pretty sure he wouldn't see easy intervals as hard (whether he'd see it as easy is another matter). When he says intervals he doesn't mean intervals in the same way.
If we ever get to a point where people realise saying I did intervals is like saying I did a continuous run (in that without a bit of detail it tells you nothing), communication will be a lot better for it.
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Feb 2022
3:04pm, 21 Feb 2022
4,091 posts
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J2R
SPR, agreed.
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Feb 2022
8:07pm, 21 Feb 2022
4,283 posts
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Kieren
That outside online seems a bit outdated - Seiler changed his assessment or updated the split to not categorise a whole workout as hard or easy. It's in this thread somewhere in 2021 Half 2 I think
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May 2022
2:17pm, 22 May 2022
2,525 posts
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Canute
The evidence supporting pyramidal v polarised programmes is ambiguous. However there is little clear evidence that modest amounts of threshold running are either less effective or more harmful than small amounts of high intensity, so it is unlikely there is much difference in effectiveness between pyramidal and polarised.
It is clear that widely differing training regimes can work for optimising VO2max and for achieving top-class performance. A few elites have become world-record holders with predominantly intense programmes. For non-elites, it is difficult to achieve the resilience required for long distances without a lot of low intensity work.
With regards to longevity as a runner, on balance I think the evidence suggest that even for elites, duration at the top is likely to be longer with a programme that includes a substantial amount of low intensity training.
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May 2022
3:09pm, 22 May 2022
19,241 posts
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Chrisull
Canute - while you're hear, I assume you saw Ed Whitlock's M70-74 marathon record got broken by a Dutch runner? Any ideas about his training program?
https://runningmagazine.ca/sections/runs-races/dutch-runner-breaks-ed-whitlocks-m70-marathon-world-record/#:~:text=Over%20the%20weekend%20at%20the,set%20the%20M70%2B%20world%20record.
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May 2022
3:09pm, 22 May 2022
19,242 posts
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Chrisull
here not hear!
Tries the link again: https://runningmagazine.ca/sections/runs-races/dutch-runner-breaks-ed-whitlocks-m70-marathon-world-record/#:~:text=Over%20the%20weekend%20at%20the,set%20the%20M70%2B%20world%20record
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