Polarized training
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Nov 2021
7:43pm, 5 Nov 2021
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SPR
Actually Canute above has but he'd change that if he was "serious about racing" and thinks "it is probably not optimum for efficiency"
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Nov 2021
9:24pm, 5 Nov 2021
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Gobi
I think I'm around that as well SPR As a coach of slower runners I learned to adapt so they don't think I'm walking . |
Nov 2021
9:43pm, 5 Nov 2021
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SPR
Gobi - Had a look at a few recent 10mm runs you'd done and they were mid 160s avg.
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Nov 2021
7:23am, 6 Nov 2021
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Bowman
Well, maybe, on “slow” run, if you maintain a healthy technique. Maybe 160-170 is quite alright. I feels like that anyway. And when I start getting up up there in the tempo, or threshold speeds I’m around 180. I think I’ll keep maintaining this more or less. |
Nov 2021
10:07am, 6 Nov 2021
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Canute
I believe that if your main goal is to increase (or maintain) aerobic capacity (as measured by VO2 max) the major requirement is to a lot of running at a pace that does not place unnecessary stress on your body. Questions regarding running technique (e.g. optimum cadence etc) are not the major issue, provided you are not putting too much stress on your connective tissues. That is why I am quite happy to run at an easy pace with a short stride (and hence high cadence) at present. This minimises airborne time and impact forces. However if I was interested in racing I would be aiming to improve not only my aerobic capacity (VO2max) but also my speed when running at VO2max (vVO2max). To achieve this requires focus on technique. You need to optimise mechanical efficiency. This includes an optimum ratio of stride length to cadence. It is of interest to note that a cardinal feature in Paula Radcliffe’s development as a marathon runner was an increase in vVO2max. Her VO2max itself remained fairly steady over that time. As far as I can see it, Paula produced that improvement by a lot of fairly intense running and also plyometrics (hopping etc). However, her career was blighted by injuries. I wonder could she have been more successful if she had adopted a more polarised approach, or was her high focus on intense training essential for her success. |
Nov 2021
10:16am, 6 Nov 2021
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Bowman
Interesting Canute, cheers.
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Nov 2021
10:24am, 6 Nov 2021
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SPR
Given Paula Radcliffe improved when she moved to marathon, you'd have to say the changes she made were crucial to her improvement. The question is what were those changes? Something else to think about is whether having children made any difference in terms of injuries. Most injuries seem to be after she had her first child. I think it's pretty well known that elite/ well trained runners don't improve VO2 max but improve their economy. |
Nov 2021
10:24am, 6 Nov 2021
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jda
I suspect running efficiency is generally more trainable than VO2max itself (which is famously difficult to change according to what I’ve read). Also, threshold as a %age of VO2max.
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Nov 2021
10:43am, 6 Nov 2021
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Canute
I have analysed Paula Radcliffe’s training on several occasions in my Word Press blog. Two relevant posts are: canute1.wordpress.com canute1.wordpress.com I agree that the ability to maintain a pace at a high proportion of VO2max is important. In my 2009 post I noted the substantial right shift of the turn-point in the graph of her blood lactate against pace. This implies increased ability to metabolise lactate. I believe this requires both increase in capillary density and also increased ability to shunt the lactate produced in fast twitch fibres into adjacent slow twitch fibres. I believe the mechanism for shunting lactate can be increased by low intensity long runs. |
Nov 2021
2:42pm, 6 Nov 2021
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Gobi
Spr - damn I'm getting slack ![]() |
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