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Polarized training

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Bowman
J2R, Are you keeping the cadence somewhat then?

I mean the stride will be extremely short and won't be "same form" then.
Or am i reading to much in to the cadence, and i might be fine somewhere between 165-180 depending on speed?

In that case i might be able to get there :)
SPR
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8:48am, 4 Nov 2021
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There's no need to be forcing cadence. You need to work out whether there's an issue with your form. Are you over striding?
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8:54am, 4 Nov 2021
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SPR, no i actually don't think so, i dont land to far ahead the body, and with speed i both upping the cadence and leaning more ffw, and just lengthening the stride a bit.

It's hard to tell though of course. But it feels efficient, and definitely effortless compared to some other runner you meet while running.
SPR
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fellrnr.com

That's image shows definite over striding but there are degrees in between that.
J2R
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9:01am, 4 Nov 2021
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Bowman, no, I'm not maintaining the same cadence, and I agree with SPR that you shouldn't force it. Pretty well everybody will have a lower cadence when they're running slowly (and a higher cadence for very fast running). The main point about cadence is to ensure that you are not overstriding, as SPR says, and once you can be sure you're not, I think it doesn't help to be fixated on a particular number.

It is, of course, easier to maintain decent running form while running slowly if you have a high cadence, because your cadence at slow speeds, while lower than normal, will still be a typical running cadence. Mine dropped to about 162-163 when I was running at around 11 mins/mile on Sunday, when it is typically around 178-180bpm when I'm running easy runs by myself (this slower run was with my other half).
Nov 2021
9:22am, 4 Nov 2021
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Bowman
Spr, no i definitely has not that stride :)

I pretty much land just under my body or a little in front.

J2R,
Ok, sounds good. No i won't be fixated on a number, but more be aware of its differences.
Thanks for your thoughts!
Nov 2021
9:24am, 4 Nov 2021
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I don't know about my form (which looks ugly on video, but that's as detailed as I can get), but my cadence and stride both move with different paces.

6min/mile in a 5k - 200 strides per minute, stride length 1m34
8m30 "easy" - 182 strides per minute, stride length 96cm
12m "with wife" ;-) - 165 strides per minute, stride length 81cm

Maybe my easy running c180 spm cadence is helpful for running slowly as I can maintain 160+ even at a very slow jog that still just about feels like running.
J2R
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9:28am, 4 Nov 2021
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larkim, yes, that's exactly what I meant.
SPR
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I've run at 12mm and been fine even though my cadence is around 165 @ 8mm. Not something I've done recently and not going to do it for no reason but I don't feel like I have an issue running slow.
SPR
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10:45am, 4 Nov 2021
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My log suggests my cadence doesn't drop any further as pace reduces from the easy zone.

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Polarised training is a form of training that places emphasis on the two extremes of intensity. There is a large amount of low intensity training (comfortably below lactate threshold) and an appreciable minority of high intensity training (above LT).

Polarised training does also include some training near lactate threshold, but the amount of threshold training is modest, in contrast to the relatively high proportion of threshold running that is popular among some recreational runners.

Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. However, it has attracted great interest in recent years for two reasons.

First, detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )

Secondly, several scientific studies have demonstrated that for well trained athletes who have reached a plateau of performance, polarised training produces greater gains in fitness and performance, than other forms of training such as threshold training on the one hand, or high volume, low intensity training on the other.

Much of the this evidence was reviewed by Stephen Seiler in a lecture delivered in Paris in 2013 .
vimeo.com

In case you cannot access that lecture by Seiler in 2013, here is a link to his more recent TED talk.

ted.com
This has less technical detail than his 2013 talk, but is nonetheless a very good introduction to the topic. It should be noted that from the historical perspective, Seiler shows a US bias.

Here is another useful video by Stephen Seiler in which he discusses the question of the optimum intensity and duration of low intensity sessions. Although the answer ‘depends on circumstances’ he proposes that a low intensity session should be long enough to reach the point where there are detectable indications of rising stress (either the beginning of upwards drift of HR or increased in perceived effort). If longer than this, there is increasing risk of damaging effects. A session shorter than this might not be enough to produce enough stress to achieve a useful training effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXc474Hu5U


The coach who probably deserves the greatest credit for emphasis on the value of low intensity training was Arthur Lydiard, who coached some of the great New Zealanders in the 1960's and Scandinavians in the 1970’s. One of his catch-phrases was 'train, don't strain'. However Lydiard never made it really clear what he meant by ‘quarter effort’. I have discussed Lydiard’s ideas on several occasions on my Wordpress blog. For example: canute1.wordpress.com
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