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Polarized training

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Nov 2021
11:26am, 4 Nov 2021
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Canute
I have cadence of 180 at 12 min mile pace. My cadence increases to more than 200 steps/min at paces approaching 7 min mile pace.

As a consequence of my relatively high cadence and short stride at 12 mm pace, I am airborne for only a very small proportion of the gait cycle. As a result my ground reaction force is only a little greater than my body weight. This is fairly safe, and is sensible for a 75 year old. However it is probably not optimum for efficiency.

Increasing airborne time relative to time on stance decreases braking costs but increases the cost of the push off stance. Because the body is well designed to optimise storage and recovery of energy generated by impact with the ground, airborne costs are partially recoverable. It is therefore more effcient to get airborne when running at moderate or high speed. However I am fairly happy with my current short stride because safety is more important than efficiency for me nowadays. If I was serious about racing, I would aim to spend a bit more time airborne.
Nov 2021
5:12pm, 5 Nov 2021
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I’ve never ran really slow when I was snappy in my legs before.
Sure when I was knackered, but never fresh.

So today when I did a trail run I tried to keep it slow, really slow since I’m going for a long run tomorrow as well.

So I ended up in 10:30 mm. It’s trail and hilly about 800feet ascent but still slow and easy.

So when my mind wandered as it does, I thought about that it stills kinda hard but in a different way.
And I though, am I using muscles in a different way or type and this unusual speed will build something I won’t get in a “normal” run.

So what I mean, I won’t just slowly and carefully build my mitochondria and what not, I also will also use more of muscles I don’t use in other speeds.
But will be beneficial in higher speeds later on?
You know what I mean? Does it make sense? Maybe obvious, but maybe not.
Nov 2021
5:14pm, 5 Nov 2021
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Bowman
I still don’t get how you have that cadence in those speeds, I tried to have a decent cadence in my 10:30 easy trail run but ended up at 160 still.. :)
Nov 2021
5:35pm, 5 Nov 2021
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Gobi
Practice :-)
Nov 2021
5:49pm, 5 Nov 2021
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Bowman
:)
jda
Nov 2021
6:02pm, 5 Nov 2021
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jda
And do it a bit at a time. If you’re at 160, try 165 rather than 180.
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6:06pm, 5 Nov 2021
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Bowman
Yes, good advice. It’s easy to make to big of a change to fast. Will keep on it. Slowly.
SPR
Nov 2021
6:29pm, 5 Nov 2021
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Yes, if you think it needs to be done, then it needs to be done gradually.
J2R
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7:27pm, 5 Nov 2021
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I would say start by focussing on shortening your stride, rather than getting your legs to move faster. Same effect of course, but I think the focus is important.
SPR
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7:41pm, 5 Nov 2021
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Bear in mind no one has said they run at 180 at 10:30...

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Polarised training is a form of training that places emphasis on the two extremes of intensity. There is a large amount of low intensity training (comfortably below lactate threshold) and an appreciable minority of high intensity training (above LT).

Polarised training does also include some training near lactate threshold, but the amount of threshold training is modest, in contrast to the relatively high proportion of threshold running that is popular among some recreational runners.

Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. However, it has attracted great interest in recent years for two reasons.

First, detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )

Secondly, several scientific studies have demonstrated that for well trained athletes who have reached a plateau of performance, polarised training produces greater gains in fitness and performance, than other forms of training such as threshold training on the one hand, or high volume, low intensity training on the other.

Much of the this evidence was reviewed by Stephen Seiler in a lecture delivered in Paris in 2013 .
vimeo.com

In case you cannot access that lecture by Seiler in 2013, here is a link to his more recent TED talk.

ted.com
This has less technical detail than his 2013 talk, but is nonetheless a very good introduction to the topic. It should be noted that from the historical perspective, Seiler shows a US bias.

Here is another useful video by Stephen Seiler in which he discusses the question of the optimum intensity and duration of low intensity sessions. Although the answer ‘depends on circumstances’ he proposes that a low intensity session should be long enough to reach the point where there are detectable indications of rising stress (either the beginning of upwards drift of HR or increased in perceived effort). If longer than this, there is increasing risk of damaging effects. A session shorter than this might not be enough to produce enough stress to achieve a useful training effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXc474Hu5U


The coach who probably deserves the greatest credit for emphasis on the value of low intensity training was Arthur Lydiard, who coached some of the great New Zealanders in the 1960's and Scandinavians in the 1970’s. One of his catch-phrases was 'train, don't strain'. However Lydiard never made it really clear what he meant by ‘quarter effort’. I have discussed Lydiard’s ideas on several occasions on my Wordpress blog. For example: canute1.wordpress.com
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