Nov 2021
2:54pm, 1 Nov 2021
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Brunski
Here we go.....
This is something I was getting at a few pages back.
I'm sure I've read, or been told, that the benefits increase the longer the duration. Meaning an hour easy run is more than twice as good for you than doing 2x 30 minute runs. I guess part of this is due to systems needing to warm up until you reach the levels where you're getting adaptions. I think I've seen this in my own running where I used to commute 30-40 twice a day but when Covid restrictions came in I was limited to my 1 exercise a day fur roughly an hour and my aerobic efficiency increased running easy/steady mileage.
I've also read that running every 2-3 days is an effective way of maintaining the aerobic engine (at least for a while before it starts dropping off).
So to me running 3 or 4 easy runs a week, maybe 2 or 3 x 45 mins to1 hr, and one 90-120 mins is a very good way of building and maintaining the mitochondria required to increase fitness and aerobic endurance.
That leave you with 2 or 3 days, or 2 and a rest day to run other stuff (including your 20% if keeping things polarised).
I think a lot of the good training plans have this sort of balance and you can tweak to fit your amount if training time and the races you are concentrating on.
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Nov 2021
3:05pm, 1 Nov 2021
2,485 posts
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Canute
Although it is usually not wise to take ‘wise sayings’ too seriously, two ‘wise sayings’ that I bear in mind are:
‘Training is simple but physiology is complex’ (Stephen Seiler)
‘Make things as simple as possible, but no simpler’ (Albert Einstein)
I try to make training as simple as possible, but no simpler.
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Nov 2021
3:09pm, 1 Nov 2021
75,088 posts
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Gobi
Words to live by
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Nov 2021
3:27pm, 1 Nov 2021
35,584 posts
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SPR
I agree with jda re stressful.
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Nov 2021
4:02pm, 1 Nov 2021
75,090 posts
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Gobi
Stress to feel results
845 Miles at avg pace 8.45 avg hr 114 10100 bike miles avg speed 15.5 avg hr 100
I train hard when I need to and train easy/steady at most other times
Polarized
Simple
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Nov 2021
6:02pm, 1 Nov 2021
22,893 posts
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Rosehip
This is where I get confused, as I’ve seen the term steady used for a pace that’s not aproaching LT but is “harder” than easy - the bottom of the “grey zone” I suppose.
My “I can run and gossip all day” pace gives me a hr a bit higher than it “should be”. It tkes concentration to trot along even more slowly than that.
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Nov 2021
6:08pm, 1 Nov 2021
2,487 posts
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Canute
I think that some women have a higher HR during low aerobic running than would fit within the usually quoted range for zone 2. Perhaps this is because women tend to have a smaller cardiac stroke volume. I think that if you feel you can 'gossip all day' it should be described as low aerobic.
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Nov 2021
6:13pm, 1 Nov 2021
2,488 posts
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Canute
RH, how long does it take before you get appreciable upward drift of HR at a pace where you could gossip all day?
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Nov 2021
7:00pm, 1 Nov 2021
388 posts
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Bowman
I think I also have a slightly higher hr when I feel I have a conversation speed.
Or I have to slow down even more. I think my max hr is 194 according to Garmin. I always has have a high max hr. I’m using lactate threshold figured out by the watch. Lowest hr is about 45 during night, but average out at 52. But my easy pace I have about 150 bpm. Ok I know hr is to detailed, but breathing per steps is kind of not as detailed as I wanted. It’s not easy this.
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Nov 2021
7:15pm, 1 Nov 2021
35,588 posts
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SPR
RH - I use steady the same way as you TBF. In this case though it seems jda means what we term easy.
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