Polarized training

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2:54pm, 1 Nov 2021
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Brunski
Here we go.....

This is something I was getting at a few pages back.

I'm sure I've read, or been told, that the benefits increase the longer the duration. Meaning an hour easy run is more than twice as good for you than doing 2x 30 minute runs. I guess part of this is due to systems needing to warm up until you reach the levels where you're getting adaptions. I think I've seen this in my own running where I used to commute 30-40 twice a day but when Covid restrictions came in I was limited to my 1 exercise a day fur roughly an hour and my aerobic efficiency increased running easy/steady mileage.

I've also read that running every 2-3 days is an effective way of maintaining the aerobic engine (at least for a while before it starts dropping off).

So to me running 3 or 4 easy runs a week, maybe 2 or 3 x 45 mins to1 hr, and one 90-120 mins is a very good way of building and maintaining the mitochondria required to increase fitness and aerobic endurance.

That leave you with 2 or 3 days, or 2 and a rest day to run other stuff (including your 20% if keeping things polarised).

I think a lot of the good training plans have this sort of balance and you can tweak to fit your amount if training time and the races you are concentrating on.
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3:05pm, 1 Nov 2021
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Canute
Although it is usually not wise to take ‘wise sayings’ too seriously, two ‘wise sayings’ that I bear in mind are:

‘Training is simple but physiology is complex’ (Stephen Seiler)

‘Make things as simple as possible, but no simpler’ (Albert Einstein)

I try to make training as simple as possible, but no simpler.
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3:09pm, 1 Nov 2021
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Gobi
Words to live by
SPR
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3:27pm, 1 Nov 2021
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SPR
I agree with jda re stressful.
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4:02pm, 1 Nov 2021
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Gobi
Stress to feel results

845 Miles at avg pace 8.45 avg hr 114
10100 bike miles avg speed 15.5 avg hr 100

I train hard when I need to and train easy/steady at most other times

Polarized

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Nov 2021
6:02pm, 1 Nov 2021
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Rosehip
This is where I get confused, as I’ve seen the term steady used for a pace that’s not aproaching LT but is “harder” than easy - the bottom of the “grey zone” I suppose.

My “I can run and gossip all day” pace gives me a hr a bit higher than it “should be”. It tkes concentration to trot along even more slowly than that.
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6:08pm, 1 Nov 2021
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Canute
I think that some women have a higher HR during low aerobic running than would fit within the usually quoted range for zone 2. Perhaps this is because women tend to have a smaller cardiac stroke volume. I think that if you feel you can 'gossip all day' it should be described as low aerobic.
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6:13pm, 1 Nov 2021
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Canute
RH, how long does it take before you get appreciable upward drift of HR at a pace where you could gossip all day?
Nov 2021
7:00pm, 1 Nov 2021
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Bowman
I think I also have a slightly higher hr when I feel I have a conversation speed.

Or I have to slow down even more.
I think my max hr is 194 according to Garmin. I always has have a high max hr.
I’m using lactate threshold figured out by the watch.
Lowest hr is about 45 during night, but average out at 52. But my easy pace I have about 150 bpm. Ok I know hr is to detailed, but breathing per steps is kind of not as detailed as I wanted.

It’s not easy this.
SPR
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7:15pm, 1 Nov 2021
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SPR
RH - I use steady the same way as you TBF. In this case though it seems jda means what we term easy.

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Polarised training is a form of training that places emphasis on the two extremes of intensity. There is a large amount of low intensity training (comfortably below lactate threshold) and an appreciable minority of high intensity training (above LT).

Polarised training does also include some training near lactate threshold, but the amount of threshold training is modest, in contrast to the relatively high proportion of threshold running that is popular among some recreational runners.

Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. However, it has attracted great interest in recent years for two reasons.

First, detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )

Secondly, several scientific studies have demonstrated that for well trained athletes who have reached a plateau of performance, polarised training produces greater gains in fitness and performance, than other forms of training such as threshold training on the one hand, or high volume, low intensity training on the other.

Much of the this evidence was reviewed by Stephen Seiler in a lecture delivered in Paris in 2013 .
vimeo.com

In case you cannot access that lecture by Seiler in 2013, here is a link to his more recent TED talk.

ted.com
This has less technical detail than his 2013 talk, but is nonetheless a very good introduction to the topic. It should be noted that from the historical perspective, Seiler shows a US bias.

Here is another useful video by Stephen Seiler in which he discusses the question of the optimum intensity and duration of low intensity sessions. Although the answer ‘depends on circumstances’ he proposes that a low intensity session should be long enough to reach the point where there are detectable indications of rising stress (either the beginning of upwards drift of HR or increased in perceived effort). If longer than this, there is increasing risk of damaging effects. A session shorter than this might not be enough to produce enough stress to achieve a useful training effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXc474Hu5U


The coach who probably deserves the greatest credit for emphasis on the value of low intensity training was Arthur Lydiard, who coached some of the great New Zealanders in the 1960's and Scandinavians in the 1970’s. One of his catch-phrases was 'train, don't strain'. However Lydiard never made it really clear what he meant by ‘quarter effort’. I have discussed Lydiard’s ideas on several occasions on my Wordpress blog. For example: canute1.wordpress.com

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