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Polarized training

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jda, as a matter of interest and because I am nosey, what is your Max HR?
jda
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About 165 I think, it was unusually low 30 years ago (maybe 175 then), but is getting close to 220-age these days. I can reliably reach 160 (albeit briefly) when zwifting, I don't have so much good data from running as historically my readings have been a bit dodgy so I discount the odd spike.
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It may be as important that my resting pulse can be as low as 30, so anything over 100 is half way through my range! I run marathons mostly in the 140s, when it drifts over 150 is about the point it gets hard for me.

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12:19pm, 2 Nov 2021
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OK, thanks. I know there is no 'right' max and it is pointless comparing them, but when talking about training HRs it is relevant I suppose. Your training HRs are low compared to mine but my max is 193-195 (never tested in a lab, so this is just a field test, but I am happy it is in the right ballpark) and RHR is about 52, so that would make sense. I train around 140bpm, and I know I am fit when I can trot along at a reasonable pace for me in the low 130s on the flat
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That's why you talk in terms of percentages.
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SPR, yes, I know :) I was interested in jda'a max after he mentioned his training HRs.
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I also track HR and use it on my recovery, easy, and as a cap on my steady runs.

All these HRs fall broadly around the 65-75% max range which is probably only spanned by about 17 bpm (my resting and max HRs are pretty close to jda's)

My 75% MaxHR is about 70%WHR and I got quite fit over lockdown mixing up >70%max (easy) with runs at 70% WHR (steady) and little else.

I try to keep out of the area between this steady and my threshold unless I'm running a progression run or sometimes marathon effort at the end within a longer run.
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Maybe I'm just lazy as my easy runs are anything from 8 to 12mm and my HR rarely above 120 which is below 60% using Karvonnen Formula
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Wouldn't say that Gobi I could run at that pace and am sure it'd do pretty much the same thing. I sometimes run at that pace with my daughter and it's good fun (probably cos I'm running with her if I'm honest).

I did a session last night so this lunchtime run was 'easy' 114bpm, 7:45 pace, about 66% maxHR a shade over 60% WHR on the Karvonen scale.
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yeah, I run with my other half and my HR is 90s

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Polarised training is a form of training that places emphasis on the two extremes of intensity. There is a large amount of low intensity training (comfortably below lactate threshold) and an appreciable minority of high intensity training (above LT).

Polarised training does also include some training near lactate threshold, but the amount of threshold training is modest, in contrast to the relatively high proportion of threshold running that is popular among some recreational runners.

Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. However, it has attracted great interest in recent years for two reasons.

First, detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )

Secondly, several scientific studies have demonstrated that for well trained athletes who have reached a plateau of performance, polarised training produces greater gains in fitness and performance, than other forms of training such as threshold training on the one hand, or high volume, low intensity training on the other.

Much of the this evidence was reviewed by Stephen Seiler in a lecture delivered in Paris in 2013 .
vimeo.com

In case you cannot access that lecture by Seiler in 2013, here is a link to his more recent TED talk.

ted.com
This has less technical detail than his 2013 talk, but is nonetheless a very good introduction to the topic. It should be noted that from the historical perspective, Seiler shows a US bias.

Here is another useful video by Stephen Seiler in which he discusses the question of the optimum intensity and duration of low intensity sessions. Although the answer ‘depends on circumstances’ he proposes that a low intensity session should be long enough to reach the point where there are detectable indications of rising stress (either the beginning of upwards drift of HR or increased in perceived effort). If longer than this, there is increasing risk of damaging effects. A session shorter than this might not be enough to produce enough stress to achieve a useful training effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXc474Hu5U


The coach who probably deserves the greatest credit for emphasis on the value of low intensity training was Arthur Lydiard, who coached some of the great New Zealanders in the 1960's and Scandinavians in the 1970’s. One of his catch-phrases was 'train, don't strain'. However Lydiard never made it really clear what he meant by ‘quarter effort’. I have discussed Lydiard’s ideas on several occasions on my Wordpress blog. For example: canute1.wordpress.com
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