Polarized training

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7:22pm, 1 Nov 2021
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Rosehip
- thanks SPR :)

Canute - difficult to tell what’s drift at same pace and drift due to losing concentration and speeding up or finding one of our mini “hills” but between 60 and 90 mins depending how warm it is.
Nov 2021
8:46pm, 1 Nov 2021
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Canute
RH,
As I see it, you should not a slave to a single number, such is the HR corresponding to the upper limit of Z2. Respiratory effort and subjective experience at the time are also a useful guide. Absence of significant fatigue the next day is also a valuable indicator that the session was not too demanding.
Nov 2021
8:56pm, 1 Nov 2021
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Rosehip
Absence of the need to eat *all the food* about 3 hours later usually tells me whether I’ve overdone a longer one or not :)
Nov 2021
9:15pm, 1 Nov 2021
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Canute
Bowman,

As I commented in discussion with Rosehip, I do not think that you should be a slave to any single numerical score. Nonetheless, I personally think it is worthwhile to develop confidence in your assessment of subjective effort. For many years I assigned effort scores on a scale of 1 to 10. I was usually confident about my assignment of a score to within 1 point. At the lower end of the scale, I could assign scores to within half a point.

I developed my own scoring system before I was aware of the Borg scale which has a range 1-20. The advantage of the Borg scale is the ability to compare with others, though the most important thing is developing confidence in the consistency of your own score.
jda
Nov 2021
10:04pm, 1 Nov 2021
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jda
SPR, I think the reason I prefer to use the term “steady” is that I like to make decent progress, it’s not at the level of the casual jog we do as a club when starting to warm up for the sprint session. In terms of aerobic demand it is definitely easy though, typically around 110-120bpm.
Nov 2021
6:30am, 2 Nov 2021
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Bowman
Canute, Makes sense.
I guess i feel the effort some what of course. And i have to dial down what i think is a easy effort.

It takes time, i have mostly for about 10 years have had "no pain no gain" in the back of my head.
It will take some getting use to.
At least i started a year ago, so it going the right way.
A funny thing, since i started to go in to the garmin ecosystem, i have "effort" popping up on my watch after every run. Its 1-10. i use 1-3, maybe a 4 some times. Although the 4 should have been 9-10 ish. I don´t know why. I think its to detailed, and for the Borg scale, i mean whats the differens between a 15 and 16. i couldn't choose that:)
jda
Nov 2021
6:52am, 2 Nov 2021
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jda
Oh wait “steady” was an alternative to “slow” for the S in LSD. “Easy” is also a great term for it.
Nov 2021
7:03am, 2 Nov 2021
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TeeBee
I've just parted company with my coach (at least paused for a while). I did the vast majority of my miles with him (for about two years) at easy pace (1-3/10), but the one quality session per week could be pretty brutal. I made a huge amount of progress last year, but this year has been pretty awful run wise. I suspect this is due to work pressure and a niggling injury. I'm just completely knackered overall.

My plan for the rest of the year is lower mileage, all easy runs except for the odd hard parkrun, one 10k race and one hilly 7 miler (not sure if I'll truly' race' those. I'll take stock in the new year.
SPR
Nov 2021
7:21am, 2 Nov 2021
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SPR
I don't use the S in LRs TBH but I think steady or progressive LRs have their place. LRs are sessions IMO so on average are faster than my general sessions. Relatively slow ones have their place though, especially when increasing distance. After a race or a session the day before might be a good time for a slow one as well.
Nov 2021
8:53am, 2 Nov 2021
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Kieren
Interesting how variable terms can be. Iuse "steady" for a bit slower than (predicted) marathon pace rather than easy. Some numbers to show the difference for me:

4:50 - 5:20/KM easy
4:15/KM Marathon Pace
4:00/KM threshold (long intervals)
3:26/KM Repeats (200m, 400m)

Steady would be on feel, anything from 4:20-4:40/KM typically. Not really polarized. I would tend to swap them with the long easy run if I was short on time or alternate occasionally to practice running a quicker pace.

Before my injury that might be zone 1 for easy and high 2 / low 3 for steady. After injury, my heart rate shoots up quite easily despite not feeling too hard

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Polarised training is a form of training that places emphasis on the two extremes of intensity. There is a large amount of low intensity training (comfortably below lactate threshold) and an appreciable minority of high intensity training (above LT).

Polarised training does also include some training near lactate threshold, but the amount of threshold training is modest, in contrast to the relatively high proportion of threshold running that is popular among some recreational runners.

Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. However, it has attracted great interest in recent years for two reasons.

First, detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )

Secondly, several scientific studies have demonstrated that for well trained athletes who have reached a plateau of performance, polarised training produces greater gains in fitness and performance, than other forms of training such as threshold training on the one hand, or high volume, low intensity training on the other.

Much of the this evidence was reviewed by Stephen Seiler in a lecture delivered in Paris in 2013 .
vimeo.com

In case you cannot access that lecture by Seiler in 2013, here is a link to his more recent TED talk.

ted.com
This has less technical detail than his 2013 talk, but is nonetheless a very good introduction to the topic. It should be noted that from the historical perspective, Seiler shows a US bias.

Here is another useful video by Stephen Seiler in which he discusses the question of the optimum intensity and duration of low intensity sessions. Although the answer ‘depends on circumstances’ he proposes that a low intensity session should be long enough to reach the point where there are detectable indications of rising stress (either the beginning of upwards drift of HR or increased in perceived effort). If longer than this, there is increasing risk of damaging effects. A session shorter than this might not be enough to produce enough stress to achieve a useful training effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXc474Hu5U


The coach who probably deserves the greatest credit for emphasis on the value of low intensity training was Arthur Lydiard, who coached some of the great New Zealanders in the 1960's and Scandinavians in the 1970’s. One of his catch-phrases was 'train, don't strain'. However Lydiard never made it really clear what he meant by ‘quarter effort’. I have discussed Lydiard’s ideas on several occasions on my Wordpress blog. For example: canute1.wordpress.com

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