Oct 2021
2:22pm, 31 Oct 2021
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jda
that was cross-posted with Gobi and I'm in full agreement with what he said.
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Oct 2021
2:26pm, 31 Oct 2021
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SPR
jda - Why not sprint?
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Oct 2021
2:27pm, 31 Oct 2021
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SPR
Sprinting is more along the lines of what plyometrics is trying to achieve anyway (as opposed to intervals) and is specific.
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Oct 2021
2:34pm, 31 Oct 2021
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Gobi
When working with track runners we did plyo
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Oct 2021
4:28pm, 31 Oct 2021
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Big_G
SPR, I liked your article and I have never really thought of it like that. At club, I tend to avoid what I term as the shorter stuff (100m or 200m reps, but even those aren't what that article was about) as I can get injured at those efforts. I know this means I should try and find the root cause of what is causing those injuries, and I confess I have never done that!
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Oct 2021
4:46pm, 31 Oct 2021
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jda
Sprinting is extra stress I don't need, that replaces a steady session. I've taken to doing sets of hops in the first 15 mins of a steady run, basically can be considered a sort of warm-up and I'm still doing my hour of aerobic running afterwards. My theory is that it's stressing the muscles and tendons appropriately - which I want - without working the CV system anaerobically - which I really don't need.
I have sometimes done a weekly interval session with my club (basically because it's there) but not for a while now, it's been suspended/cancelled. Mind you I haven't really started up proper running yet for the winter anyway.
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Oct 2021
4:57pm, 31 Oct 2021
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Gobi
I do 100s and 200s once a week during track season with the effort specifically aimed at 800 pace but apart from that all Indonesia run slightly progressively
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Oct 2021
4:59pm, 31 Oct 2021
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J2R
Gobi, OK, I see where you're coming from. Yes, a solid aerobic base is the main thing. Build that first and then start doing the fancy stuff.
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Oct 2021
5:04pm, 31 Oct 2021
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SPR
Sprints aren't all that stressful (adaptation phase obviously) and it doesn't need to necessarily replacement a session. Obviously they take time with full recovery but 60-100 secs of work over 14 to 20 mins isn't a killer once used to it (and that's mainly from a muscle perspective). It's basically base for speed.
The tougher sessions are longer sprints which are mainly for MD runs.
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Oct 2021
5:14pm, 31 Oct 2021
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Kieren
I felt I got a lot of benefits from strides at the end of an easy run but mostly as a good stretch out and a bit of a safe self-test / MOT.
I started running again in 2020 and building up durability was I think one of the things that limited my ability to increase easy volume. I think the (Jack Daniels) speed work helped that.
However, since breaking my ankle, and learning a bit more about the gait cycle, I think all my injuries have been related to compensating for a poor range of movement in dorsiflexion. The hips tilt forward, glutes compensate. Lower back or knee under more strain which volume will tip when more volume or strain is added - at least I think.
I started running again in 2020 and kept a log of a weekly 5K challenge (to replace parkrun). I followed Jack Daniels plans and saw marked 5K improvements when weekly volume went up. Jack Daniel's plan were roughly 80:20, so some speedwork in all stages of the journey.
In hindsight, I think I might have been better able to increase easy volume faster and in turn improve my 5K time faster by adding strength training twice a week - even replacing the quality sessions. I think the speedwork helped my build strength and durability which allowed me to add volume. I think dedicated barbell training* might have been more beneficial towards durability to volume- even without the threshold/ vo2max benefits from sessions.
Right now, I'm 4 months since ankle injury. I can run easy, I cant run fast so at least in the short term, I'll be testing out that theory somewhat but without being able to do the regular 5K effort.
* barbell training like deadlift, squat, hip-thrust, split squat, good-mornings etc
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