Polarized training

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jda
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jda
that was cross-posted with Gobi and I'm in full agreement with what he said.
SPR
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SPR
jda - Why not sprint?
SPR
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SPR
Sprinting is more along the lines of what plyometrics is trying to achieve anyway (as opposed to intervals) and is specific.
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Gobi
When working with track runners we did plyo
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Big_G
SPR, I liked your article and I have never really thought of it like that. At club, I tend to avoid what I term as the shorter stuff (100m or 200m reps, but even those aren't what that article was about) as I can get injured at those efforts. I know this means I should try and find the root cause of what is causing those injuries, and I confess I have never done that!
jda
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jda
Sprinting is extra stress I don't need, that replaces a steady session. I've taken to doing sets of hops in the first 15 mins of a steady run, basically can be considered a sort of warm-up and I'm still doing my hour of aerobic running afterwards. My theory is that it's stressing the muscles and tendons appropriately - which I want - without working the CV system anaerobically - which I really don't need.

I have sometimes done a weekly interval session with my club (basically because it's there) but not for a while now, it's been suspended/cancelled. Mind you I haven't really started up proper running yet for the winter anyway.
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Gobi
I do 100s and 200s once a week during track season with the effort specifically aimed at 800 pace but apart from that all Indonesia run slightly progressively
J2R
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J2R
Gobi, OK, I see where you're coming from. Yes, a solid aerobic base is the main thing. Build that first and then start doing the fancy stuff.
SPR
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Sprints aren't all that stressful (adaptation phase obviously) and it doesn't need to necessarily replacement a session. Obviously they take time with full recovery but 60-100 secs of work over 14 to 20 mins isn't a killer once used to it (and that's mainly from a muscle perspective). It's basically base for speed.

The tougher sessions are longer sprints which are mainly for MD runs.
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Kieren
I felt I got a lot of benefits from strides at the end of an easy run but mostly as a good stretch out and a bit of a safe self-test / MOT.

I started running again in 2020 and building up durability was I think one of the things that limited my ability to increase easy volume. I think the (Jack Daniels) speed work helped that.

However, since breaking my ankle, and learning a bit more about the gait cycle, I think all my injuries have been related to compensating for a poor range of movement in dorsiflexion. The hips tilt forward, glutes compensate. Lower back or knee under more strain which volume will tip when more volume or strain is added - at least I think.

I started running again in 2020 and kept a log of a weekly 5K challenge (to replace parkrun). I followed Jack Daniels plans and saw marked 5K improvements when weekly volume went up. Jack Daniel's plan were roughly 80:20, so some speedwork in all stages of the journey.

In hindsight, I think I might have been better able to increase easy volume faster and in turn improve my 5K time faster by adding strength training twice a week - even replacing the quality sessions. I think the speedwork helped my build strength and durability which allowed me to add volume. I think dedicated barbell training* might have been more beneficial towards durability to volume- even without the threshold/ vo2max benefits from sessions.

Right now, I'm 4 months since ankle injury. I can run easy, I cant run fast so at least in the short term, I'll be testing out that theory somewhat but without being able to do the regular 5K effort.

* barbell training like deadlift, squat, hip-thrust, split squat, good-mornings etc

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Polarised training is a form of training that places emphasis on the two extremes of intensity. There is a large amount of low intensity training (comfortably below lactate threshold) and an appreciable minority of high intensity training (above LT).

Polarised training does also include some training near lactate threshold, but the amount of threshold training is modest, in contrast to the relatively high proportion of threshold running that is popular among some recreational runners.

Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. However, it has attracted great interest in recent years for two reasons.

First, detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )

Secondly, several scientific studies have demonstrated that for well trained athletes who have reached a plateau of performance, polarised training produces greater gains in fitness and performance, than other forms of training such as threshold training on the one hand, or high volume, low intensity training on the other.

Much of the this evidence was reviewed by Stephen Seiler in a lecture delivered in Paris in 2013 .
vimeo.com

In case you cannot access that lecture by Seiler in 2013, here is a link to his more recent TED talk.

ted.com
This has less technical detail than his 2013 talk, but is nonetheless a very good introduction to the topic. It should be noted that from the historical perspective, Seiler shows a US bias.

Here is another useful video by Stephen Seiler in which he discusses the question of the optimum intensity and duration of low intensity sessions. Although the answer ‘depends on circumstances’ he proposes that a low intensity session should be long enough to reach the point where there are detectable indications of rising stress (either the beginning of upwards drift of HR or increased in perceived effort). If longer than this, there is increasing risk of damaging effects. A session shorter than this might not be enough to produce enough stress to achieve a useful training effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXc474Hu5U


The coach who probably deserves the greatest credit for emphasis on the value of low intensity training was Arthur Lydiard, who coached some of the great New Zealanders in the 1960's and Scandinavians in the 1970’s. One of his catch-phrases was 'train, don't strain'. However Lydiard never made it really clear what he meant by ‘quarter effort’. I have discussed Lydiard’s ideas on several occasions on my Wordpress blog. For example: canute1.wordpress.com

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