Polarized training
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Oct 2021
7:26pm, 30 Oct 2021
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SPR
If you run 10 extra miles a week that is overload...
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Oct 2021
7:31pm, 30 Oct 2021
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FenlandRunner
Depends on your athletic background and 'base'. What are you comparing it with?
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Oct 2021
8:37pm, 30 Oct 2021
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J2R
FR, yes, that's exactly what I mean. If you keep the effort session(s) the same and just add easy miles, you will get faster. I have consistently observed this in others and have been monitoring it closely in myself. I'm actually someone who gets by pretty well on low mileage - 14 years ago I was running no more than 20-25mpw (average was in fact 21mpw), and I ran a 3:11 marathon (which is not especially fast but probably fast for the mileage), and 18.21 for 5K. But I have since got rather faster, primarily as a result of upping my mileage. I say that with confidence because when I look back on my running diary, the times when I get the best performances are always when I'm doing high mileage (for me, that is, it would count as pitifully low for elites, typically no more than 45-55mpw). Nothing else changes - I do the same effort sessions, but I just do more easy miles, and my times come down. I'm not saying this is the only thing, of course it isn't, and doing certain kinds of speedwork will undoubtedly be more beneficial than others. My gut feeling, though, is that if you're just running 20-25mpw and you want to get faster, by far the easiest and most reliable way of doing so will just be to run more, rather than focus on tweaks to your speedwork. Incidentally, I wouldn't say this to someone who was already running 40-45mpw - I wouldn't say that they will automagically get faster if they were running 60-65mpw, because I think once you're running 40-45mpw, then the nature of the speedwork you do on top of this becomes more important. |
Oct 2021
9:18pm, 30 Oct 2021
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Gobi
Fr - if you do 25 miles then do 35 it is overload . Huge % uplift. The background of the individual is irrelevant as the current point is 25 to 35.miles. The need for speedwork as a magic pill is adult mystery bullshit , adaptation from Z2 (ability to stay aerobic longer) is crucial and simply put you will improve without speedwork. Tried and tested on a number of people. |
Oct 2021
10:15pm, 30 Oct 2021
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Canute
People differ. Nonetheless, as mentioned above, there is no doubt it was increasing the large amount of easy running that made Ed Whitlock the greatest ever elderly distance runner. He ran 3 hours at a very easy pace most days of the week, and raced 5K or 10K fairly frequently. The only other elderly runner to equal Ed’s marathon performance at age 70 was Gene Dykes. Gene’s major step forward came from a programme that included 4 easy sessions, 1 intense session (intervals or tempo run) each week, together with fairly frequent races, many of them long ultras, including 200 milers. In summary, his programme had both a large amount of running at a low aerobic pace, and 1 intense session per week. The point of mentioning these two elderly runners is that both made massive gains in performance in their late 60’s/ early 70’s following substantial increases in volume, much of it low aerobic running, though in Gene's case, the intense sessions appeared to have played a part. |
Oct 2021
11:00pm, 30 Oct 2021
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Gobi
Canute - I believe largely you and I are aligned. The reality is that if common sense is applied to any approach and it is followed consistently there will be gains. The speed of gains will vary depending on how an individual adapts. The magic is finding the approach that works best for you. |
Oct 2021
6:58am, 31 Oct 2021
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Bowman
Guys, when talking zones, For instance z2 in the post above. Are these mostly the same? Like Garmin 5zones and so on. Cus sometimes I think it’s somewhat different between platforms and methods and so on. Any general rules about this? |
Oct 2021
8:24am, 31 Oct 2021
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J2R
Gobi: "The need for speedwork as a magic pill is adult mystery bullshit" That's a bit strong, isn't it? Are you dismissing the benefits of speedwork as part of a balanced running programme? It's not a 'magic pill' but it is an effective means of getting faster and fitter, if used judiciously - by which I mean a small amount as a 'spice' within a context of mainly easy miles. Which is, of course, what polarized training is all about. I very much doubt that there are many elite runners out there who don't do regular speedwork. |
Oct 2021
8:46am, 31 Oct 2021
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SPR
While speedwork is the topic: fastrunning.com
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Oct 2021
9:21am, 31 Oct 2021
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J2R
Good article, that, which rings bells for me. I'm a big advocate of short, fast hill sprints, which Craggs mentions.
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