Oct 2021
11:29am, 30 Oct 2021
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FenlandRunner
Not being facetious. But do you really need to run 40 miles a week to be 'good' for your natural talent over 5km? Interested in the login/science? Conversely I reckon you need substianally more than 50 miles a week to get close to your marathon ceiling?
Just my thoughts. More than happy to be shot down in flames.
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Oct 2021
11:29am, 30 Oct 2021
7,188 posts
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FenlandRunner
login.... logic!!!
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Oct 2021
11:47am, 30 Oct 2021
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SPR
Less that 40 miles vs substantially more that 50 miles. Doesn't seem very logic to me TBH.
Have you ever looked at what elite runners run? Have you ever wondered why?
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Oct 2021
11:49am, 30 Oct 2021
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Canute
FR, as I noted in my comment, people differ. For most people, 40 mpw easy, apart from one 5K race, is likely to work farily well. That programme has the advantage of not requiring much thought. However, if you want to think about your running. you can probably do better with a more complex programme.
We agree about greater mpw for achieving your marathon ceiling
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Oct 2021
11:50am, 30 Oct 2021
2,474 posts
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Canute
With regard to the issues of cadence and airborne time discussed a few page ago, it is important to consider the three main energy costs of running: getting airborne, overcoming braking, and re-positioning the legs. Under some circumstances wind resistance is also appreciable.
There is trade-off between the three main energy costs. The cost of overcoming braking increases with increase ground contact time, but the cost of getting airborne increase with airborne time.
Note also that at a given speed, the horizontal distance travelling when airborne is determined by the amount of vertical push. At a given speed you cannot increase the horizontal distance you cover while airborne in each cycle with increasing vertical push. In general, when running the faster, it is more efficient to spend an appreciable portion of the gait cycle airborne. It is also usually more efficient to use a higher cadence, as increasing speed by increasing stride length only, would demand much greater airborne time and/or ground contact.
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Oct 2021
11:53am, 30 Oct 2021
2,475 posts
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Canute
Opps.'you cannot increase the horizontal distance you cover while airborne in each gait cycle without increasing vertical push.'
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Oct 2021
12:00pm, 30 Oct 2021
7,193 posts
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FenlandRunner
What do they run, SPR? Please enlighten me?
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Oct 2021
12:00pm, 30 Oct 2021
2,476 posts
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Canute
FR. without regard to your question about the science behind 40 mpw, mostly easy but including one 5 K race: easy running increases capillary density and mitochondrial content to muscle fibres. These two physiological changes contribute to increasing VO2 max. VO2 max is one of the major requirements for a good 5K. The weekly race is likely to optimise vVO2 max (speed at Vo2 max)
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Oct 2021
12:01pm, 30 Oct 2021
7,194 posts
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FenlandRunner
Thanks, Canute. You seem to have understood the thrust of what I was attempting to clarify. Appreciated.
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Oct 2021
12:04pm, 30 Oct 2021
35,564 posts
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SPR
You've been around the forums too long to think elite 5k runners are running less than 40 miles a week FR. If there are any running less than that, they would be the exception rather than the rule.
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