Polarized training

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J2R
Oct 2021
9:48am, 29 Oct 2021
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J2R
From my observations, I would way that fast runners on the whole run with a higher cadence than slow runners for the same speed. Whether it's consciously learned or just happens as one gets faster, I don't know.

One thing that I see people getting fixated on is this magical 180bpm figure which people should aim for. But that is really dependent on height. I'm 5'11 and I have a good friend I run with who is 6'5". Clearly he is going to have a slower cadence than me. A giraffe and a Jack Russell terrier have about the same top running speed, but they certainly don't have the same cadence.
Oct 2021
9:59am, 29 Oct 2021
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Bowman
Damn, i should have faster cadence then with my itty bitty legs then..
Makes sense.
SPR
Oct 2021
10:27am, 29 Oct 2021
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SPR
scienceofrunning.com

I think height probably usually leads to lower cadence and it would certainly mean lower max cadence in sprinting but depending on strategy for the individual it won't be the same always. Bekele ran with a lower cadence than his taller rivals for most of the 2007 WC 10000 as detailed in the linked article.
Oct 2021
10:32am, 29 Oct 2021
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larkim
I'm 5ft8, my annual average cadence trends around 179-182 over the last few years, average stride length around 1m10-1m13 throughout that period. I don't spend much time in the air which feels to me that it should be at least moderately efficient as I'm not wasting energy lifting my 76kg upwards much.

Of course, I'd be much quicker if I wasn't 76kg*, but that's another story...

*when properly fit I'm close to 72kg, but 76ks is a generous interpretation of current weight!
Oct 2021
10:52am, 29 Oct 2021
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Bowman
My average yearly cadence is 157 😱 this year..
During my last 10 or so years its been 154-157. Stride lenght 1.00-1.12 m
But its just last few years iv´e been faster and been training more.
And i´m short and fat (for a runner) 172, 68kg by average this year, but heavier last year..
This might be something i should look at.

I don´t really get how i should run if i should average closer to 180.. Not that the number it in self is the "truth", but clearly i have a low low cadence compared to others. It would be a lot of focus on fast tippety toe running..
SPR
Oct 2021
10:55am, 29 Oct 2021
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SPR
The article over the page says why higher cadence works for many runners. Reducing over striding.
Oct 2021
11:06am, 29 Oct 2021
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Bowman
Will read.
Oct 2021
11:15am, 29 Oct 2021
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larkim
I don't run on my toes at all (that I'm aware of). I'd expect I'd be mid-foot striking for my 180s, maybe going slightly more forefoot the faster I "try".

I won't take 68kg as fat for a runner, otherwise I'm clinically obese for a runner being more or less the same height! BMI is currently over the recommended 25 so I'm definitely overweight, but not by too much!
Oct 2021
11:20am, 29 Oct 2021
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Gobi
Not all air is created equal larks

Oversimplified

Horizontal airborne gives more distance cover per stride

VERITAL air is bad

Attempting 180 cadence is a great example of how this works

Run 12mm at 180 and you will have a short choppy stride with excessive vertical lift. If you compare it to yourself running 9mm you will see less vertical lift and a longer stride.

I believe 180plus is a pillar of POSE running.
Oct 2021
11:21am, 29 Oct 2021
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Gobi
172 and 68 isn't fat

I'm 176 and 73kgs

About This Thread

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Polarised training is a form of training that places emphasis on the two extremes of intensity. There is a large amount of low intensity training (comfortably below lactate threshold) and an appreciable minority of high intensity training (above LT).

Polarised training does also include some training near lactate threshold, but the amount of threshold training is modest, in contrast to the relatively high proportion of threshold running that is popular among some recreational runners.

Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. However, it has attracted great interest in recent years for two reasons.

First, detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )

Secondly, several scientific studies have demonstrated that for well trained athletes who have reached a plateau of performance, polarised training produces greater gains in fitness and performance, than other forms of training such as threshold training on the one hand, or high volume, low intensity training on the other.

Much of the this evidence was reviewed by Stephen Seiler in a lecture delivered in Paris in 2013 .
vimeo.com

In case you cannot access that lecture by Seiler in 2013, here is a link to his more recent TED talk.

ted.com
This has less technical detail than his 2013 talk, but is nonetheless a very good introduction to the topic. It should be noted that from the historical perspective, Seiler shows a US bias.

Here is another useful video by Stephen Seiler in which he discusses the question of the optimum intensity and duration of low intensity sessions. Although the answer ‘depends on circumstances’ he proposes that a low intensity session should be long enough to reach the point where there are detectable indications of rising stress (either the beginning of upwards drift of HR or increased in perceived effort). If longer than this, there is increasing risk of damaging effects. A session shorter than this might not be enough to produce enough stress to achieve a useful training effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXc474Hu5U


The coach who probably deserves the greatest credit for emphasis on the value of low intensity training was Arthur Lydiard, who coached some of the great New Zealanders in the 1960's and Scandinavians in the 1970’s. One of his catch-phrases was 'train, don't strain'. However Lydiard never made it really clear what he meant by ‘quarter effort’. I have discussed Lydiard’s ideas on several occasions on my Wordpress blog. For example: canute1.wordpress.com

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