Oct 2021
11:21am, 29 Oct 2021
75,050 posts
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Gobi
Nobody should run on their toes, midfoot is what you want.
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Oct 2021
11:41am, 29 Oct 2021
15,917 posts
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larkim
Yep, that all matches my understanding, even though I give no thought to it when actually running. All I actually do in training is work on either endurance or speed, and combinations therein.
I never think about form, cadence, arm carriage, foot position, foot strike etc etc. I'm not advocating that as a principle (as I'm well known (!) for under-investing in my running potential) as I'm sure there are gains to be made by some / many (maybe even me) by making "improvements", but I'm just not inclined to go down that path. Doesn't stop me being mildly interested in the concepts though!
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Oct 2021
12:04pm, 29 Oct 2021
75,051 posts
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Gobi
Larks
I'd say you are more interested in the concepts than the training. Whereas I get frustrated by where the chat goes sometimes ,and would rather be out training.
That said I'm an open minded coach so like to read.
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Oct 2021
12:14pm, 29 Oct 2021
377 posts
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Bowman
@ gobi & larkim, i just exaggerated a bit, i don’t think I’m fat either, kind of muscular for a 43year old actually. But I’m not thin like some runners. ok great about the midfoot, that’s where I feel comfortable.
I’m all for what’s ok for your self, but I’m also interesting in improving some things, and when I seem to have a really slow cadence, maybe its something there. I like to questioning everything.
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Oct 2021
12:44pm, 29 Oct 2021
35,561 posts
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SPR
Running on up on toes is a misnomer, sprinters don't do this. In fact the debate in sprinting is about whether you should land neutral or with active dorsiflexion. Regardless, heel is low on landing.
Vertical high gets a bad rep imo. You need to go vertical somewhat to go horizontal. As long as you aren't bounding along (super low cadence) it's unlikely to be something to worry about IMO.
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Oct 2021
12:48pm, 29 Oct 2021
15,919 posts
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larkim
That's generous of you Gobi, but probably about right. The theory stuff interests me, and in another life I would have had a career as a research scientist rather than an accountant. I might actually prefer chatting about training to training
I'm with you, Bowman, on questioning everything. Though I need to work on my approach to doing that, as it *sometimes* comes across as if I'm either trolling with a stupid idea or dismissing people who do really know stuff much better and deeper than I do. Whereas what I'm actually trying to do is learn for learning's sake.
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Oct 2021
1:55pm, 29 Oct 2021
75,052 posts
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Gobi
Larks - I think you hit my frustration
Sometimes the questions just feel like trolling (not just yours)
The old Devils advocate excuse only goes so far with me.
SPR - I think we largely agree on the vertical hence i tried to an example used POSE as it is the school of 180. However 12mm at 180 is fast and bouncy ergo in my view not efficient .
So today 10.40 or so pace with the Mrs- stride length 0.9m cadence 165 avg and vertical 12%
Yesterday 8mm or so alone stride length 1.15m cadence 180avg vertical 8%
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Oct 2021
2:21pm, 29 Oct 2021
15,922 posts
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larkim
It's difficult by typing to get across the sort of dialogue that you might have in person; I'm a bit more self aware of when I overstep the mark in terms of challenging stuff, but I don't always get it right! Happy to be called out on it though when I come across badly!
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Oct 2021
2:46pm, 29 Oct 2021
75,053 posts
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Gobi
I moved to a walked away model. Much better for me
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Oct 2021
3:08pm, 29 Oct 2021
1,916 posts
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Brunski
Larks, it can come across as though you're chatting about running when you don't have much inclination to get out there running. I genuinely thought you were after advice on how to get in shape for a 10k in 4 months time... Still think you should enter one and fully commit to those 7 hours a week 😁.
Guess part of it is maybe waiting on some running inspiration whilst filling the margins at work.
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