Electric car anyone?
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Aug 2021
4:51pm, 5 Aug 2021
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paul the builder
Battery prices are falling from: bloomberg.com In fact, they're behaving pretty much as you would predict from previous 'learning curves': visualcapitalist.com |
Aug 2021
7:19am, 6 Aug 2021
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FenlandRunner
Looking at that graph, the difference between 2018 and 2020 is not that great. For electric to be a commodity the reduction needs to be greater. |
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Aug 2021
9:11am, 6 Aug 2021
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paul the builder
Did you read the articles, FR?
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Aug 2021
9:36am, 6 Aug 2021
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roflaherty
With the semiconductor shortage and covid and other associated world events, I am surprised that 2020 is lower than 2019!
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Aug 2021
10:27am, 6 Aug 2021
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Dvorak
I stand corrected battery pricing. It seems far to having fully fed through to vehicle pricing. According to the article, battery pricing is 30% of car cost. The battery in the new Tesla (who actually get their batteries about 10% cheaper than quoted) was valued at just over $9000. The car should therefore be around $31 000 but it's more like $50K. On that reckoning, the battery in a mid-sized electric car (family hatchback) would cost around £5000-6000 and the car "should" cost £20 000 (actual price north of £30K). Five years ago the same battery would have been over 4x the price. Realistically, it would have had half the range, so 2x + the price, making the car maybe £40 000. I've had a problem finding price trend data, so for people who have been following prices, or maybe bought an electric car several years ago: is that how prices have gone? Are you getting twice the range for ¾ or less of the price? |
Aug 2021
10:30am, 6 Aug 2021
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Fizz :-)
The Tesla model 3 with a 240 mile range is approx £35k. Go to the double battery version, range 320 miles, it’s £50k+
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Aug 2021
10:31am, 6 Aug 2021
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Fizz :-)
Not quite the question you asked, but similar principles.
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Aug 2021
10:31am, 6 Aug 2021
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HappyG(rrr)
I haven't followed car prices either Dv, but I'd say yes twice the range is now avail in mid range car (300 miles for mine, very middle of road hatch back, vs 100 or 150 say 5 years ago) But no, prices not coming down. Is it still seen as a "premium" for early adopters? Or manufacturers trying to recoup R&D costs, or cost of re-tooling their production etc? If so, that *should* drop as more models use same design and manufacturing process and the volume of sales increases?  G
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Aug 2021
4:14pm, 6 Aug 2021
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run free
What about converting your existing car to an EV? autocar.co.uk |
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Aug 2021
4:28pm, 6 Aug 2021
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HappyG(rrr)
£6000 is pretty reasonable, esp if the donor car is cheap. Great idea. Shows that fundamentally the high cost of the new electrics isn't in the motor and battery - I think, as I have said about 4 times (though that still doesn't make it right!! ) that they are recouping on R&D and putting a premium on what is seeing as a new, early adopter technology, because they can! This is where legislation would make a big difference - if 2030 was you're not allowed to bring your petrol/diesel onto most roads/towns, then the conversion market would go through the roof! G
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