Nov 2024
9:47am, 6 Nov 2024
444 posts
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deslauriers
I imagine we'll see a fair few leopard eating face moments. These will occur among those who vote for Trump and his current coterie. One thing you can rely on is that Trump screws over whoever he works with. Musk, Kennedy et al may not quite what they wanted. China must be delighted as this accelerates the end of American hegemony and Russia is already beholden to China. No doubt some will rejoice the end of American hegemony, but would you rather a world with America, China or Russia as the dominant power? No, that is not a false choice as currently one power holds dominance and that doesn't look like changing in the near future. Also, anyone rejoicing needs to look at Musk's plans for the economy, which thus far Trump is supporting. marketwatch.com |
Nov 2024
9:54am, 6 Nov 2024
26,016 posts
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larkim
jda wrote: Cheeky’s Dad wrote:The people who voted for Trump aren’t stupid Well that's one take on it I suppose. When there's 70m of them, I agree; they can't all be stupid. They can have a very different take on what's in their own self interest which doesn't align with ours, or they can have been effectively manipulated to view the world in a certain way. But deriding people as apologists for neoliberalism and therefore "causing" Trump is no less of an intentional slur (from the authors perspective) that calling Trump or Brexit voters stupid. |
Nov 2024
9:56am, 6 Nov 2024
18,066 posts
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jda
Maybe people just believe a rapist over a woman. The US economy is actually booming, but if your social media tells you everything has gone to shit and it's all the fault of the libs/immigrants/whoever, it's easier to believe than to think critically. |
Nov 2024
10:02am, 6 Nov 2024
7,860 posts
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ThorntonRunner
I guess we've all seen this meme |
Nov 2024
10:03am, 6 Nov 2024
23,383 posts
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rf_fozzy
That's not a meme TR! It's a political cartoon.
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Nov 2024
10:05am, 6 Nov 2024
26,017 posts
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larkim
Trump has beaten female opponents twice now. What do we read into that from the perspective of the US electorate? As unpalatable as it will be, the Dems will be very, very cautious about fielding a female presidential candidate in the future I suspect. And Trump hasn't simply won this with only male votes. Even if his female support is lower, it is there. We've had enough electoral cycles now where the "worst" that could come out against Trump has been aired. There aren't going to be any hidden scandals now, unless someone is playing a really crafty game that relies on Trump being in office for their "bombshell" to be worth dropping. We know who he is, how he behaves. He is a rapist, he is a convicted felon, he is a liar, he is a misogynist and he is racist. To the most ardent Trump supporter, he is "only" someone who has been falsely accused of rape (and never convicted), he has been convicted by a biased court, the other side tells lies, women are inferior and should know their place and a hint of racism at the very least is OK. That divide was never being crossed. And for the second time around we sat in an echo chamber hearing what we wanted to hear about polls and momentum, and got it very wrong. |
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Nov 2024
10:05am, 6 Nov 2024
7,861 posts
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ThorntonRunner
rf_fozzy wrote:
That's not a meme TR! It's a political cartoon. |
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Nov 2024
10:06am, 6 Nov 2024
7,862 posts
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ThorntonRunner
rf_fozzy wrote: That's not a meme TR! It's a political cartoon. OK - yeah you're right 🤣🤣 |
Nov 2024
10:08am, 6 Nov 2024
23,476 posts
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Dave W
All the above is lovely. How sweet that you can look at someone making idiotic choices and not call them idiots. But I hold that anyone who votes for Trump is an idiot. You only have to listen to him for about a minute to fathom that he is a fool and a liar. And he is a convicted felon and sex abuser. So chuck in sexist and racist and misogynist and a lot of other ‘ists and you still vote for him? Okay. Calling them idiots is perhaps a little bit unfair. “Fucking idiots” is probably closer. |
Nov 2024
10:10am, 6 Nov 2024
6,882 posts
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paulcook
larkim wrote: To the most ardent Trump supporter, he is "only" someone who has been falsely accused of rape (and never convicted), he has been convicted by a biased court, the other side tells lies, Because half the western social media reading world no longer believes anything the establishment or academia tells them and thinks Johnny off Facebook (or Elon from Twitter) is always right. |
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