Nov 2024
10:28am, 6 Nov 2024
46,633 posts
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SPR
SPR wrote: Democracy has delivered rubbish results before TBF. I think the people that voted for Trump think he'll give them what they want and they might be right. I think they don't care or have the same view on immigrants and abortion which were high agenda items. In terms of education, they are less educated. Most of what I've said can be seen in the exit poll analysis here: nbcnews.com |
Nov 2024
10:29am, 6 Nov 2024
44,154 posts
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Nellers
Here's a thing: A person isn't stupid but people are. Individually they might be thoughtful and considerate and caring, but in a crowd they'll go with the emotion and fear and rage, and I think that's exactly what Trump taps into. He tells them "Things are awful right now", which is true for a huge number of Americans, but whereas Harris has a complicated "We'll do stuff to the economy and rights and tax and fix it" message that can't be summed up in a tweet/ soundbite, Trump will shout "AND IT'S ALL THEIR FAULT! I'LL GET THEM FOR YOU!" and people who are poor and scared will buy it. He doesn't need to offer a viable solution any more than Brexit did. He just needs to say "This is bad and the people to blame are going to get a kicking if you vote for me!" It's a terrible day for the world. I don't know where this leaves any of us in terms of validity of any democratic process and it really truly scares me. |
Nov 2024
10:32am, 6 Nov 2024
70,808 posts
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LindsD
Thank you, Nellers, for putting into words what I could not.
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Nov 2024
10:35am, 6 Nov 2024
18,068 posts
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jda
TROSaracen wrote: All these people need to feel is you listen, are on their side and you have a plan to make their lives better If it really all is about feelings as you state, then democracy is a bit of a failed project. Voting for a fraud and liar because he makes you *feel* good is no way to select a leader. Representative democracy requires that those who actually have the time and energy to think about these things, make sure that the representatives put up for election are half-decent people rather than the worst sort of demagogues. And it requires that people think a bit about the consequences of their vote rather than voting for the guy who makes them feel good about themselves. (Johnson here was another example of the same, of course.) |
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Nov 2024
10:36am, 6 Nov 2024
46,634 posts
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SPR
jda wrote: Chrisull wrote:If one party is making your life materially worse, then it isn't stupid to vote for the other option is it? According to the exit poll, 45% of voters say have a worse financial situation than 4 years ago. 80% of those voted for Trump. |
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Nov 2024
10:39am, 6 Nov 2024
18,069 posts
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jda
"say" That figure sounds completely absurd to me, doesn't have any plausibility that almost half the population is actually poorer than they were 4 years ago. But "feelings" of course. |
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Nov 2024
10:41am, 6 Nov 2024
44,155 posts
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Nellers
Trump/ Republican propaganda has repeated the message throughout the Biden administration that the US economy is tanking directly because of what Biden has done. I don't think the facts bear that out at all but the people who get their news from Fox will have been told repeatedly that they're worse off than ever before and they'll believe it regardless of what else is happening in their lives.
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Nov 2024
10:42am, 6 Nov 2024
46,635 posts
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SPR
Say was deliberate by me. I have no idea whether it's true or not. The exit poll is in 10 key states so there could be some specific issues in those states.
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Nov 2024
10:45am, 6 Nov 2024
46,636 posts
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SPR
Netanyahu has sacked his defence minister who seemed to want some compromise to get the hostages back. I expect he's pleased to see Trump back. bbc.co.uk |
Nov 2024
10:56am, 6 Nov 2024
28,449 posts
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TROSaracen
Not ‘feelings’ but their lived reality based on size of take home pay and the cost of things that you spend it on. Ultimately that trumps (sorry!) any macro level statistics. |
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