Nov 2024
10:11am, 6 Nov 2024
11,791 posts
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Fields
People aren't stupid. They know they are poor and getting poorer. They know the parties that they have voted for their whole lives offer no answers. There has been no recovery from the GFC / globalisation for many working class people. The reasons for this complex but as inequality widens each year - and it will, in the UK, in the US and across Western Europe too - more and more people will reject the status quo Trump may represent the republicans but he is - falsely - offering a different narrative to mainstream US politics. |
Nov 2024
10:13am, 6 Nov 2024
89,166 posts
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Diogenes
It feels in some way like the death knell for democracy when this is what democracy delivers
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Nov 2024
10:16am, 6 Nov 2024
26,018 posts
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larkim
But he also won't improve the lot of those who are poor and getting poorer. That's the ridiculousness of this. If Trump was instead Corbyn, Sanders (maybe) or some charismatic proper American socialist I could buy the argument about the reasons for supporting a non-establishment candidate. But he's so far away from that, he fully embodies the absolute inequality in the US. Voters aren't stupid. But they are definitely seeing things through a lens which my brain can't quite comprehend. |
Nov 2024
10:18am, 6 Nov 2024
46,632 posts
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SPR
Democracy has delivered rubbish results before TBF. I think the people that voted for Trump think he'll give them what they want and they might be right. I think they don't care or have the same view on immigrants and abortion which were high agenda items. In terms of education, they are less educated. |
Nov 2024
10:21am, 6 Nov 2024
23,384 posts
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rf_fozzy
rf_fozzy wrote:
Gonna be lots of bad takes in the next few days about why trump won. One thing is clear is that the selzer poll in Iowa was clearly wrong. |
Nov 2024
10:22am, 6 Nov 2024
22,360 posts
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Chrisull
But look at Trump's 2016 speech videos, he's funny, sharp, charismatic. You may not agree with him, but he's a convincing salesman. Seeing some Tory commentators actually agreeing on the economy line (some not, some saying look at the smug liberal establishment haha, had it coming all along for being too left wing echo chambery). The cliche "It's the economy stupid" is a cliche because it's true. Stamer understood that, Trump did too. If one party is making your life materially worse, then it isn't stupid to vote for the other option is it? |
Nov 2024
10:23am, 6 Nov 2024
6,883 posts
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paulcook
"Donald Trump is a genuine friend of the United Kingdom. Keir Starmer must roll out the red carpet for the 47th President of the USA. This is a huge opportunity to be grasped." |
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Nov 2024
10:24am, 6 Nov 2024
11,792 posts
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Fields
larkim wrote: But he also won't improve the lot of those who are poor and getting poorer. That's the ridiculousness of this. If Trump was instead Corbyn, Sanders (maybe) or some charismatic proper American socialist I could buy the argument about the reasons for supporting a non-establishment candidate. But he's so far away from that, he fully embodies the absolute inequality in the US. Voters aren't stupid. But they are definitely seeing things through a lens which my brain can't quite comprehend. We know this. But you’re asking why people would be desperate enough to vote this way. Well, because they are desperate. And because “business as usual” messages don’t play well when “usual” is unbearable. |
Nov 2024
10:25am, 6 Nov 2024
18,067 posts
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jda
Chrisull wrote: If one party is making your life materially worse, then it isn't stupid to vote for the other option is it? How many of the voters have actually had their lives made materially worse over the last 4 years, I wonder rhetorically. |
Nov 2024
10:27am, 6 Nov 2024
28,448 posts
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TROSaracen
I think the key stat across everything I’ve read is that Americans whose wage is between the poverty line, and the national median Trump won 70%. If the left can’t speak to those people more than a Donald Trump they need a serious head wobble. All these people need to feel is you listen, are on their side and you have a plan to make their lives better. Meat and potatoes that I think the modern left has forgotten about. |
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