Nov 2024
10:56am, 6 Nov 2024
18,070 posts
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jda
Yes I’m not blaming you for that SPR. But if a substantial proportion of people vote on the basis of ignorance then what is the point of it? Just, let’s try to put on a better show than the other person and hope to fool more people more of the time? In the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is vilified, denigrated and hounded out. |
Nov 2024
11:05am, 6 Nov 2024
6,112 posts
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Cheeky’s Dad
Democracy is clearly a terrible system. Not sure I find any of the alternatives more appealing however
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Nov 2024
11:07am, 6 Nov 2024
26,019 posts
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larkim
@TROSaracen looks like your prediction is going to be pretty close to the real outturn.
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Nov 2024
11:09am, 6 Nov 2024
11,793 posts
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Fields
TROSaracen wrote: Not ‘feelings’ but their lived reality based on size of take home pay and the cost of things that you spend it on. Ultimately that trumps (sorry!) any macro level statistics. Spot on. |
Nov 2024
11:12am, 6 Nov 2024
46,637 posts
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SPR
What's it looking like for Congress? If the Republicans get all three, they can do whatever they want.
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Nov 2024
11:13am, 6 Nov 2024
6,884 posts
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paulcook
SPR wrote: Netanyahu has sacked his defence minister who seemed to want some compromise to get the hostages back. I expect he's pleased to see Trump back. bbc.co.uk Have to say, my first thought at the result was the poor people of Gaza and Palestine. |
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Nov 2024
11:17am, 6 Nov 2024
46,638 posts
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SPR
jda wrote: Just, let’s try to put on a better show than the other person and hope to fool more people more of the time? I think this is what politics has become. PR used to be about presenting your case in the best way possible. It turned to spin doctors and now if not out right lying, not bothering to try and get difficult messages across. Unfortunately I don't really see how it changes now. I wonder what would have happened in the UK election if Labour had said we have no choice but to put up taxes because of ~insert reasons~? I struggle to see them losing but they'd have lost votes for sure. |
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Nov 2024
11:20am, 6 Nov 2024
6,885 posts
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paulcook
SPR wrote: jda wrote:Just, let’s try to put on a better show than the other person and hope to fool more people more of the time? I think this is what politics has become. PR used to be about presenting your case in the best way possible. It turned to spin doctors and now if not out right lying, not bothering to try and get difficult messages across. Unfortunately I don't really see how it changes now. I wonder what would have happened in the UK election if Labour had said we have no choice but to put up taxes because of ~insert reasons~? I struggle to see them losing but they'd have lost votes for sure. You mean like: "I was wrong to say taxes wouldn't go up." theguardian.com You're right. The truth doesn't win you elections. |
Nov 2024
11:22am, 6 Nov 2024
22,362 posts
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Chrisull
There's also aspects like inflation. I mean prices are continually going up, it's not like they are going down for most things (excluding petrol/diesel), so bringing inflation down doesn't actually reduce costs, just means they aren't increasing quite so fast. I think the dems missed that. You can't just tell people they're better off and hope they believe it, the Tories tried to do it here after the Liz Truss budget (well mortgage/interest rates HAD to go up they said).
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Nov 2024
11:27am, 6 Nov 2024
46,639 posts
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SPR
In the exit polls, 22% of people said inflation had caused them and their family severe hardship in the last year (73% voted Trump), 53% said it had caused them moderate hardship (50% voted Trump)
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