The War in Ukraine

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Sep 2022
2:17pm, 18 Sep 2022
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GordonG
Am loving this post on Telegram to Russia by Zelensky:

“Do you still think that we are ‘one nation'?

Do you still think that you can scare us, break us, make us make concessions?

“Have you really not understood anything?

Don’t understand who we are? What are we for? What are we talking about?

“Read my lips:

Without gas or without you? Without you.

Without light or without you? Without you.

Without water or without you? Without you.

Without food or without you? Without you.

“Cold, hunger, darkness and thirst are not as scary and deadly for us as your ‘friendship and brotherhood'.

But history will put everything in its place.

And we will be with gas, light, water and food … and WITHOUT you!”
Sep 2022
2:27pm, 18 Sep 2022
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richmac
It's like a breakup letter!
Sep 2022
12:01pm, 20 Sep 2022
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Muttley
Sounded like a U2 song to me ... I mean, haven't the people of Ukraine suffered enough already?
Sep 2022
8:05am, 21 Sep 2022
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LazyDaisy
'Partial mobilisation' and more threats from Putin. A desperate throw of the dice?
Sep 2022
8:11am, 21 Sep 2022
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Muttley
What a delusional paranoid rant. The man is ill.

I remain unconvinced by all the nuke sabre rattling. Ukraine is already hitting targets in Crimea (which Putin claims as part of Russia) and in Russia itself, specifically Belgorod.

A tactical nuke in Ukraine would most likely blow back against his own troops and territory. As for a strategic nuke, the entire Russian ruling class have their spouses, kids, other family members, property investments, bank accounts etc in the West. His own daughters live in Germany.

And even a partial mobilization is problematical. Those who are qualified and want to join the fight will have done so already. Can't see the rest being too keen.

This is an interesting "dear Mr President, this is how you should respond" briefing paper:

atlanticcouncil.org
Sep 2022
8:29am, 21 Sep 2022
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Northern Exile
I agree. One of the [unclassified] discussion groups I am on includes several people with significant experience of nuclear strategy and they all say much the same thing. It doesn't change the fact that there are currently more nuclear warheads targetted for this neck of the woods that at any other point in history, but whether they would ever be released is another question entirely.
Sep 2022
8:30am, 21 Sep 2022
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Muttley
Apparently the contracts of all professional soldiers will be extended indefinitely. I'm sure that'll go down well. You need to be careful when pissing off men who have guns.

The floggings will continue until morale improves ...
Sep 2022
8:46am, 21 Sep 2022
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richmac
There was delusional ex Putin advisor on R4 this morning frothing at the mouth denying there is a war in Ukraine saying it's a liberation and that they West is using Ukrainian troops to attack Russia.

But now with mobilisation is reserves Russian lives will start to be impacted at home, hopefully it'll turn the tide
Sep 2022
2:11pm, 21 Sep 2022
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Muttley
What this guy, an old mate and former colleague of mine, says is imho right on the money.

theguardian.com
Sep 2022
5:02pm, 21 Sep 2022
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Northern Exile
Excellent article, spot on the button. Rats out of a sinking ship.

About This Thread

Maintained by Northern Exile
Please feel free to post anything of consequence, links to reports, analysis, ways in which we can support the people of Ukraine. Not a forum for bashing the UK government, the politics thread is a good place for that.

Royal United Services Institute - rusi.org
Bellingcat - bellingcat.com
Human Rights Watch - hrw.org
Reuters - reuters.com
BBC Russian Service - bbc.com
Ria Novosti - ria.ru
Russian Online TV - ontvtime.ru
Russian TV News - tv-novosti.ru
UK Government Response - gov.uk
UK MOD Twitter Feed - twitter.com
ABC News - abcnews.go.com
Wion Russia - Ukraine - wionews.com

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