The War in Ukraine
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Apr 2022
10:19pm, 5 Apr 2022
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Northern Exile
I'm just appalled at the extent of the atrocities that are being discovered in the wake of the Russian withdrawal from their northern axis. The UN must surely act soon.
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Apr 2022
10:21pm, 5 Apr 2022
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Derby Tup
news.sky.com
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Apr 2022
11:32pm, 5 Apr 2022
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Maccathecracker
I just wonder what Putin/the Russian army has to do before the world says enough. Given its record on Srebrenica I wouldn’t hold out for the UN. I’m just glad some offered Ukraine training and arms whilst others offered………helmets, probably with half an eye on their gas supplies.
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Apr 2022
7:33am, 6 Apr 2022
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LazyDaisy
The big problem with the UN is the Russian veto on the Security Council. When you have the Russian chap stating that not a single civilian has been harmed, in the face of so much evidence, they will always block any meaningful UN intervention.
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Apr 2022
7:58am, 6 Apr 2022
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Northern Exile
Agreed Daisy. The veto they have at the UN gives them a lever they don't deserve and it has to go.
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Apr 2022
8:45am, 6 Apr 2022
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Bazoaxe
Surely they shouldnt have a veto when it concerns their own actions
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Apr 2022
9:10am, 6 Apr 2022
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Muttley
A good idea, Bazoaxe, but zero chance of it coming to pass. Neither Russia nor China would allow it, and between them they render the UN SC pretty much useless when it comes to their own conduct. I'm wondering how the Ukraine war will pan out. My hunch is that Russia will eventually prevail, because it has the greater firepower and manpower, and because it doesn't care how much devastation it wreaks or how many of its own troops get killed. I fear that despite their valiant resistance the Ukrainians will eventually be ground down and will have to concede some territory in the south, maybe the land bridge from Crimea to Luhansk/Donetsk. After that comes the aftermath. Don't just freeze but expropriate all available Russian assets abroad and give them to Ukraine as reparations. And prepare to manage without any trade or financial links with Russia at all until there is a change of regime there. I guess the only good thing to come out of this is that it will hopefully accelerate the switch to green and renewable technologies. The only way to starve Putin's war machine is to not buy his hydrocarbons. |
Apr 2022
9:28am, 6 Apr 2022
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Angus Clydesdale
I think a big potential problem will be that the West accepts the inevitability of Russian dominance (for the resources and doctrine reasons Muttley states) and accepts the concession of territory in the South and East without considering the next step for Russia, which is likely to be consolidation, re-organisation and then the next push.
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Apr 2022
9:46am, 6 Apr 2022
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Eynsham Red
I think (hope) that in the light of the problems that Russia have had in achieving their goal in Ukraine, any future push Westwards is unlikely. It would certainly result in WW3 I believe, as this would be a move into “NATO land”. I’ve heard it said that Putin might be a maniac, but he’s not a suicidal maniac. In deed, looking at his reported fear of contracting Covid, which is demonstrated by the huge separation between him and others at his rather “modest” conference desk, I suspect that he’s not someone who would lay down his life even in the name of Russia. |
Apr 2022
9:48am, 6 Apr 2022
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paulcook
The veto is clearly bs since you can just veto any of your own sanctions or directives against your actions. But secondly it’s not even really Russia’s veto to have. It was the Soviet Union who had the veto and Russia kept it. But who’s to say that it shouldn’t be any of the other Soviet states, like Kazakhstan which I believe was technically the last Soviet state. That all said it won’t change and the veto despite its flaws will just stay. |
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