The vaporfly thread
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Jul 2024
7:31am, 12 Jul 2024
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NikeZoomFTW
Velociraptor wrote: A lot of people would be binning their ordinary trainers after 400 miles of any sort of running in them. Racing shoes that cost a lot more than trainers and are often uncomfortable are trash after only 200 miles. Some runners run better times in trainers than racing shoes because the racing shoes alter foot biomechanics. If you over pronate it is not wise to wear racing shoes because they will barely reach 100 miles and cause injuries. |
Jul 2024
8:43am, 12 Jul 2024
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Windsor Wool
Really? Given the range of super shoes out there nowadays I’d have thought that there’s an opportunity for the vast majority of runners to race in them and switch back to support shoes in case they really need them (a whole different subject, of course). I know that heavy heel strikers used to destroy the original 4% quickly but even the next% fixed that, didn’t it? Actually, given that you’ve said that race shoes are often uncomfortable, maybe mean something different by race shoes? Flats? |
Jul 2024
8:51am, 12 Jul 2024
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SPR
Well minimal shoes are pretty hard to overpronate in, it's one of the things that was behind the barefoot movement. The extra cushioning on built up shoes gives the foot space to go further than it normally would. The minimal cushioning in old school racers and narrowness in the midfoot sometimes might be a problem for some. In terms of miles, I pretty sure the midsole can withstand more than 100 miles in most supershoes (there are some obvious exceptions). Depending on the outsole and footstrike, abrasion could kill certain shoes quickly. The Adidas Takumis and Adiós Pros have good protection for forefoot strikers for sure. |
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Jul 2024
8:54am, 12 Jul 2024
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SPR
Old school racers also used to be cheaper generally than your daily shoe *cries*
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Jul 2024
9:56am, 12 Jul 2024
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J2R
Yes, SPR, I do a lot of races! Interestingly my race shoes don't look especially worn, soles are fine, and it would be hard to believe they'd done nearly 400 miles if I hadn't been recording it. The damage I'm concerned about would be largely invisible, though, the loss of 'pop' from the PEBA foam.
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Jul 2024
10:46am, 12 Jul 2024
9 posts
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NikeZoomFTW
I now stick to Nike Pegasus for my running gym work outs and walking. I have not yet purchased Vaporfly or Alpha Fly because they are too expensive. I used to train and run marathons in the old racing flats because they were cheap. I gave up running after running a marathon in the hyped and heavily marketed Nike Zoom Fly. The Zoom Fly were heavier than racing flats and the higher stack of the shoe and lack of support hurt my feet and back. Shorter races like 5km and 10km the Zoom Fly were a decent shoe but 26.2 miles is a long way to run in uncomfortable shoes. For 5km and 10km races the Vaporfly are a good running shoe but not enough cushion or support for a marathon. A 4 or 5 hour+ marathon the Vaporfly would be a painful experience for a 200+ pound plodder. A light weight Sub 3 hour marathoner could get away with Vaporfly or Alpha Fly for a marathon. How much a runner weighs, foot strike and race distance would all determine whether or not a running shoe is suitable. |
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Jul 2024
10:54am, 12 Jul 2024
6,405 posts
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Windsor Wool
that’s a lot of expertise on something you’ve never used, LOL!
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Jul 2024
11:10am, 12 Jul 2024
69,843 posts
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Velociraptor
Isn't it fantastic that someone who actually knows what they're talking about has arrived in the thread to set us all right  I've used the special button to let Fetch know how impressed I am.
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Jul 2024
11:25am, 12 Jul 2024
3,722 posts
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Big_G
Where would we all be without this insight 
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Jul 2024
11:36am, 12 Jul 2024
69,845 posts
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Velociraptor
Big_G wrote: Where would we all be without this insight Wearing the wrong size of shoes, I expect. And injured from plodding round marathons in 4-5 hours wearing Vaporflys. |
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