The Sub 3:15 Marathon Thread
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Nov 2020
2:56pm, 2 Nov 2020
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Marchbanks
There is clear progress in those stats larkim. I hope your motivation stays strong. I’ve decided to follow P&D, ummed and ahhed over it after reading the book in September but feel confident after reading so many people have progressed using these plans. 55-70 but will pick it up from 6 weeks in as I’ve already built up to 62 mpw (one week) and done two 18M. |
Nov 2020
3:05pm, 2 Nov 2020
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riggys99
P+D is a good way to go marchbanks lots of people on here who have used it to give advice. Good luck with the training |
Nov 2020
3:11pm, 2 Nov 2020
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larkim
It's funny because my watch only samples very rarely too - and yet it appears not to display those sorts of short-cut gremlins. In the .fit files the individual points are usually as far as 6s apart from one another for long periods of time; my theory is that that the watch samples a few seconds worth of data, error corrects it a little to make it "sensible" and then only writes the sensible data to the file so what you see recorded is "robust". I've just downloaded the original .fit file for a 3000m race where it recorded 1.88miles and the data points are more numerous there, at first every second and then more varying intervals (this one, for info fetcheveryone.com/t-16433375 ). It looks like it records a location every 2s round the bends, but more like every 5s on the straights, which I suppose is a bit like lossy compression - it doesn't need to record the 5s where I ran in a straight line, it just needs pont 1 and point 2 and the straight line can be drawn between the two with no wobble or deviation. |
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Nov 2020
3:14pm, 2 Nov 2020
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larkim
Good luck Marchbanks - 55-70 is just a bit too far for me, but last time I got into good shape by using the 35-55mpw and then dropping in additional 5m runs on rest days (easy runs) and extending the long runs so that I did more of the 20m efforts, all the time keeping an eye on overall fatigue. Doing that I ended up with more weeks in the 50mpw range than the plan would have delivered for me. Other club members often report that P&D injures them, but I find it's a nice interesting balance and mix of different runs, some of which intimidate me (the long tempos) and others which I get excited about (the intervals). |
Nov 2020
3:25pm, 2 Nov 2020
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HappyG(rrr)
The 55 - 70 mpw 18 week plan off back of decent 50 mile weeks background previously worked really well for me Marchbanks. They are well structured plans, I believe. Good luck.  G
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Nov 2020
4:04pm, 2 Nov 2020
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Windsor Wool
it's just the midweek MLR that's so tough in P&D, particularly if you have to do it before or after work in the dark. Looking for ways to make this palatable was a challenge for me and that led me to the JD plan in the end. I was able to run around 3:15 on the 55 plan, 3:0x on the 55-70 plan. No talent. Gosh, 70 mpw sounds an awful lot in these (non marathon) days! |
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Nov 2020
4:15pm, 2 Nov 2020
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HappyG(rrr)
I made the midweek long run (e.g. 12 - 14 miles) into 2 x commute (7 miiles each way) or joined it to a club run - do 3 miles before, 6 with club 3 after etc. as ways to fit it in.
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Nov 2020
4:18pm, 2 Nov 2020
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B Rubble
It's a tough one WW, but if you manage to get the widweek MLR done it certainly adds to your overall marathon strength. I resorted to 4am starts on a Thursday morning. One benefit being there are very few cars out at that time.
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Nov 2020
4:19pm, 2 Nov 2020
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larkim
At least the MLRs are purposeful, I found the easy / recovery runs harder to motivate myself for. I overcome it most of the time, but there's definitely a latent "no pain, no gain" mentality at the back of my mind. And yes, I do know the easy / recovery stuff is purposeful too, its just that the doing of the MLR feels more purposeful than the doing of the easy stuff. |
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Nov 2020
4:22pm, 2 Nov 2020
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HappyG(rrr)
Ah, the old "junk miles" debate... it's just like deja vu! G
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