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Jul 2020
10:59am, 9 Jul 2020
120 posts
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Big_G
Larkin, I'm lax on that stuff I have to confess. I've mainly been busy ticking off the marathons the last 3 or 4 years or so, and just targeting a small number to have a crack at.
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Jul 2020
10:59am, 9 Jul 2020
35,552 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
I tend to agree, that if you follow P&D properly (which Edition of the book do you have?) then you shouldn't get injured.
If you don't have the book, I'd recommend it. The plan, if you are using the one here in Fetch or anything other copy just of the training schedule, misses out key information from the book: nutrition, strength and conditioning, race preparation etc.
That's how you avoid injury, imho!  G
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Jul 2020
11:01am, 9 Jul 2020
7,812 posts
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jda
The 5:50 pace comment makes no sense to me. It's not a speed I'm familiar with. I am comfortable with speeds of about 6-6:20 at all distances from 100m to marathon
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Jul 2020
11:01am, 9 Jul 2020
30,418 posts
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SPR
Larkim - Being discussed before, but I think there are better tests. I'm not a marathoner but I don't use any plans training just principles and one of those is Easy and Recovery can be as easy as necessary. I don't think there's any need for a plan to prescribe the pace for all your runs. I haven't looked at the various plans so don't know whether they do. I believe Daniels doesn't though?
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Jul 2020
11:04am, 9 Jul 2020
7,813 posts
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jda
Daniels suggests suitable ranges for speed but they are comfortable enough and not intended as a "must run at this speed" AIUI.
Interestingly, my steady run speed hardly changed as I progressed from 2:59 to 2:47.
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Jul 2020
11:07am, 9 Jul 2020
35,553 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
P&D has a *very* wide range of paces as well. And HR based ones too.
I agree you *can* use just the principles and roll your own plan. But you need to be very careful not to do too much and break yourself. Or too little and not achieve your aims.
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Jul 2020
11:09am, 9 Jul 2020
121 posts
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Big_G
HappyG I have the Advanced Marathoning book. I do actually fancy a crack at it again at some point as I'm a stronger runner now that I was when I last tried it around 5 years ago (I think it was around then....my memory is rubbish!). At the moment I'm very much in the "running slower to get quicker" mindset though, but will definitely be mixing it up in August.
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Jul 2020
11:18am, 9 Jul 2020
122 posts
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Big_G
Sorry, I reread your question HappyG. I just checked and I have the 2nd edition.
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Jul 2020
11:18am, 9 Jul 2020
35,554 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
Sounds good Big_G. You've got a great base to build faster stuff on to. Just don't miss out the S&C stuff, imho! G
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Jul 2020
11:23am, 9 Jul 2020
4,702 posts
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Windsor Wool
what's a WW?
I was going to post earlier when I saw BG's question. By the time I get back to it there are 33 replies!
My views: miles are good, lots of miles are better. But, I think that the LR is important as it stresses bits of you that lots of shorter runs don't. I'm sure there is science behind this but I'm not a very scientific guy when it comes to running. I think BR mentioned MP in the long runs. I'm a big fan of the structured long run but think their more effective on the back of an already large endurance base. Surely BG has that with 100s of maras in the bank!?
Tanda - yep, I have found that Tanda predicts well for me but as SPR hinted, I actually found that I was obsessing about keeping the pace up on all runs. So, I'd be going out on an easy or general run and thinking about how my pace would be impacting my monthly rolling average pace. That's not a good place to be. If you look at someone like HG or Baz who would have a much slower average pace than me, well their marathon times are no different to mine. In general though, I don't think you can pick too much at the premise that faster runners run fastest in races.....
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