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Nov 2019
11:22am, 4 Nov 2019
15,561 posts
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Bazoaxe
It just shows how tough this marathoning is. You only get a couple of shots a year and so many variables can have an impact.
Rog. Any idea what the cause was. Did you pick up a bug?
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Nov 2019
11:57am, 4 Nov 2019
300 posts
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Rog T
Thanks all. Yes Baz, i picked up a bug about 10 days out which i thought I was totally over with a few days. Looks like I was still a bit drained from that.
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Nov 2019
12:08pm, 4 Nov 2019
15,563 posts
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Bazoaxe
That's tough Rog and nothing you can do other than enjoy the experience of NY and come back stronger next time.
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Nov 2019
12:15pm, 4 Nov 2019
15,458 posts
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Chrisull
Bad luck Rog, illness is always such a kicker as the marathon tests you to your limits.
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Nov 2019
1:42pm, 4 Nov 2019
4,355 posts
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Windsor Wool
Seems like both the course and the elements were cruel to you Chris. Hopefully you’ve learnt a lot from the Furman experiment. We’ve just got to convince you somehow to book a place at somewhere flat and boring....like Manchester 😀!
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Nov 2019
1:58pm, 4 Nov 2019
33,035 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
Chris targets fast, flat, tarmac marathon using standard distance based training technique shocker?!  G
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Nov 2019
2:38pm, 4 Nov 2019
9,365 posts
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larkim
I just made the mistake at looking at where my weight was last at the level it is today after broadly 5 weeks not in a marathon plan. Feb this year. Oops. Fingers crossed I can build on yesterday's 3 miles if only to make sure I'm not bloated for Christmas!!
Did the legs recovery any quicker Chris from running in the VFs compared to what you'd have expected?
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Nov 2019
2:50pm, 4 Nov 2019
15,460 posts
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Chrisull
It's my home marathon, 2 miles away. Either I run it or I marshal it. And they always put me at mile 25 and it pours with rain and you're out there 4 hours standing around, so I'd rather just run it :-).
I learned enough from Furman I think to see its benefits definitely. I switched to Furman as I'd started doing normal build up the distance and felt exhausted and demotivated, and it worked in that it gave me extra energy and variety. It's now about incorporating its elements, to avoid burnout on a standard program. I started looking at P&D remember, and did the speed session and the midweek one, and by the end of the week felt so tired and ill, I just knew I wasn't going to be able to carry it through into the next week.
As for standardising onto the flat, I struggle to train on the flat (as there isnt much), and unsurprisingly come unstuck on it. NONE of my flat marathons have been particularly fast ones (London, Boddington, Taunton, Stratford), and my fastest ones all come on undulating courses. (Duchy) My attitude is usually hold off a bit and pick it back up on the next downhill when I start suffering.
I'm beginning to understand my own psyche more (when I finish the blog you will see). I was prepared for the downsides (underbaked legs). I got the fuelling wrong (food not drink), but not much I could have done about that, as the course changed on the day, and my strategy which was solid, eating on the start line and then to prevent me hauling crap up the hills, to give it to my wife and meet her at 15 miles, so she could open the bars (my perennial problem with Raynauds), but the original meeting place was no longer on the course, and we had to improvise a new place, which was 6 miles further along. I ran to heart rate - that worked, I was more conservative than I had been previously , stepping back if I hit 156-157 (out of 176). That's something I've not done before, but I was averaging 153-154, and that was sustainable, it gave me the confidence late on to dig into energy reserves. Strength/flexibility work worked, but I need to target my quads now. I think more experience of marathons, rather than laying off them (5 in the 7 years is not a lot) needed. I know where the improvements can be gained.
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Nov 2019
2:50pm, 4 Nov 2019
15,461 posts
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Chrisull
Larks - worse today, but that could be the uniquely demanding nature of the course.
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Nov 2019
6:59pm, 4 Nov 2019
15,566 posts
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Bazoaxe
Chris, I think a mindset change would help. Break the link between what you train and race on. In training make the hills your friend and take the advantages they give you. Then find a rolling marathon and make those training miles count. Forget that you dont train on them. You dont need to. You can do this
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