12 Feb
12:40pm, 12 Feb 2025
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SPR
The PMQs page summary seems typical of where we are now. Starmer says it's wrong that Gazan family used Ukraine scheme to settle in UK bbc.co.uk Conservative leader Kemi Badenoch has asked Keir Starmer why a Gazan family of six was allowed to come to the UK under a scheme intended for Ukrainians "This is not what the scheme was designed to do - this decision is completely wrong," Badenoch says at Prime Minister's Questions Starmer agrees it was the "wrong decision" and says it was taken by the courts under the last government He says the home secretary is looking at the "legal loophole" that he says needs to close Badenoch goes on to ask whether Starmer will make a UK passport a "privilege, not a right" In response, Starmer accuses the last Conservative government of running an "open borders experiment" |
12 Feb
12:43pm, 12 Feb 2025
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larkim
Putting aside the rights and wrongs (!) we are unusual in the island geography of having more difficulties with "safe" routes into the UK, putting aside the "legal" bit (that's a distraction because a valid asylum seeker is "legal", or at least seems it from my perspective). So if we create a safe access point (e.g. a building or centre in a foreign country that becomes a safe haven and includes safe passage to the UK) I can see how the furious gammon makes at least a moderately credible argument that if that building is located in, say, France that the refugee has an alternate course of action. Obviously a bit different if that building or centre is the embassy in the country of origin or similar. I would 100% support the UK agreeing with the French to put facilities on French soil to allow refugees from around the world to use such a building or centre to access the UK and it's asylum system. But I can see how it might be perceived by others and how selling it to an migration sceptic UK by a UK government might be a challenge. |
12 Feb
12:47pm, 12 Feb 2025
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richmac
I like how Bad Enoch is blaming Starmer for things that happened while her lot was in power
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12 Feb
12:51pm, 12 Feb 2025
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paulcook
I said this about Cameron. About May. About Johnson. About Sunak. And while Badenoch ain't PM like them, she's managed to be even worse than the worst leader our country has ever had. Am I missing something or what possessed them to chose her? |
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12 Feb
12:53pm, 12 Feb 2025
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larkim
She's the saving grace for Starmer at the moment; a half competent Tory leader would at least be gaining some initiative. Farage seems to be making more ground almost despite him being pretty quiet over the last couple of months.
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12 Feb
12:57pm, 12 Feb 2025
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SPR
Safe route doesn't necessarily mean travel. It means a way to apply without arriving in the UK. The Palestinian family in this case applied from a refugee camp from what I've read.
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12 Feb
1:01pm, 12 Feb 2025
47,042 posts
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SPR
The Tories arguments are stupid, we know that. From the Labour side though, we essentially have a judgement that this family is in basically a similar situation to a family from Ukraine but there's no scheme to help them. The response is we can't have that and it must be stopped. We know why (it's the same reason the Tories seem to think they can make these dumb arguments about things they could control while in power) but it's still depressing.
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12 Feb
1:25pm, 12 Feb 2025
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larkim
The answer of course is to establish a Gaza scheme. But for reasons I can't entirely fathom we are reluctant to make Israel a pariah state, unlike Russia. |
12 Feb
1:31pm, 12 Feb 2025
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jda
“Are we the baddies?” There are two sides, the right side and the genocide. |
12 Feb
2:16pm, 12 Feb 2025
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JamieKai *chameleon*
jda wrote: “Are we the baddies?” Whilst we (as a country) continue to support Israel and not condemn their actions, and whilst any criticism of Israel is shutdown with claims of antisemitism, yes we are. |
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