12 Feb
11:29am, 12 Feb 2025
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larkim
How does this interract with refugee status (genuine question!)? I *assume* that a refugee who has a valid asylum claim achieves some sort of "status" when their asylum is approved. But I assume that that status is something short of citizenship? Or is it a status which normally would lead to citizenship?
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12 Feb
11:32am, 12 Feb 2025
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larkim
Maybe answering my own question - I think being an approved asylum seeker achieves "refugee status" which leads to a 5 year right to remain in the UK, and following those 5 years I think they can then apply for "indefinite right to remain". But both fall short of citizenship. Genuine (but obviously slightly defensive) question - how many small boat refugees previously progressed to "citizenship"? |
12 Feb
11:36am, 12 Feb 2025
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SPR
From the article The Refugee Council estimates the guidance will prevent at least 71,000 refugees from obtaining British citizenship. |
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12 Feb
11:41am, 12 Feb 2025
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larkim
That's not quite the same thing though. That doesn't explicitly say that those 71,000 would obtain it (or would normally ask for it), it just means that they now can't. Could simply be the wording though. It might mean what you suggest, it might not.
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12 Feb
11:41am, 12 Feb 2025
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jda
I would assume basically all of them have converted historically. Why wouldn't they? Other than the cost and hassle of the paperwork. Of course at any time there would be a large cohort that hadn't yet done so. ILR without citizenship is a very poor second class status. Japan did something similar to a whole bunch of resident koreans (including stripping citizenship from those who had already naturalised) and it's been an open sore in their society for getting on for 100 years now.
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12 Feb
11:41am, 12 Feb 2025
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SPR
BTW it's not just small boat refugees. It's pretty anyone not on one of these schemes as the only way to arrive would be illegally. Ukraine and Hong Kong are the main schemes. freemovement.org.uk |
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12 Feb
11:42am, 12 Feb 2025
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SPR
As jda says, cost would be the only reason not to apply. If you're staying in the UK forever, life is a lot easier with citizenship.
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12 Feb
11:48am, 12 Feb 2025
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larkim
Am I being uncharitable if I say indefinite leave to remain should be "enough" and fully discharges any moral obligation to support asylum seekers over the course of their lives? Again, honest question - mainly informed by the fact that my "citizenship" of the UK doesn't feel of particular importance to me (though probably that is because I can simply take it for granted).
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12 Feb
11:49am, 12 Feb 2025
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larkim
Fair enough, I'd not appreciate the importance of citizenship.
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12 Feb
11:53am, 12 Feb 2025
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larkim
From here migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk 66% of ILR individuals go on to achieve citizenship within 10 years. |
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