12 Feb
12:02pm, 12 Feb 2025
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larkim
btw, don't start reading the comments on the BBC article if you want to look fellow citizens in the eye and consider them to be decent people. Even accepting that those that comment are the rabid few, it's horrendous how many BBC news website readers hold such uncharitable and lacking in compassion views.
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12 Feb
12:14pm, 12 Feb 2025
47,036 posts
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SPR
Labour don't think it's the few which is why they want to highlight things like this and it's why Reform is seen as a big threat. Reform and the Tories will usually be prepared to go further though (although clearly the Tories realised they couldn't reduce migration numbers without harming the economy and thought that was the worst thing to do when they were in power).
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12 Feb
12:16pm, 12 Feb 2025
47,037 posts
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SPR
larkim wrote: From here migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk Good to have the stats, would be useful to know how many didn't achieve that status because they were refused. |
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12 Feb
12:18pm, 12 Feb 2025
26,620 posts
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larkim
The "few" are the posters, obvs. Whether they are representative is a different question. Reform are definitely a threat, and concern about migration is definitely an issuethat politicians have to tackle. What I've seen so far from Labour on dangerous migration seems to have been broadly "ok"; try to tackle the sources to reduce it, not just because it is unpopular but because it is the right thing to do - create safe routes for people in fear to access the UK. This citizenship change does feel more performative though and panders to those with unfounded concerns about migration. |
12 Feb
12:19pm, 12 Feb 2025
33,673 posts
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Johnny Blaze
jda wrote: JB will be along in a minute calling us closet tories for questioning it. “Immigrants need to integrate, but we won’t let them” Nope. It's not something I agree with at all. |
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12 Feb
12:20pm, 12 Feb 2025
26,621 posts
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larkim
SPR wrote: larkim wrote:From here migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk 66% of ILR individuals go on to achieve citizenship within 10 years. Good to have the stats, would be useful to know how many didn't achieve that status because they were refused. Or to know how many of those with ILR had that due to a previous status as being a refugee. My assumption from the link was that those that hadn't sought citizenship had made an active choice not to seek it - either returning to their former country (if applicable) or simply making a different decision about their life / citizenship status. Could be a flawed assumption though! |
12 Feb
12:23pm, 12 Feb 2025
7,442 posts
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paulcook
larkim wrote: Reform are definitely a threat, and concern about migration is definitely an issue that politicians have to tackle. The West needs to realise that its actions have repercussions elsewhere in the world. Migration is not happening in a vacuum. But it's the politicians who don't live in the real world, don't suffer any consequences, who are the ones who are causing those actions. The voters very rightly have various concerns about the impact of migration but have very little cause on the impact. And sorry, but Reform won't offer any real solutions. And definitely not to the bigger issue. |
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12 Feb
12:24pm, 12 Feb 2025
47,038 posts
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SPR
@larkim Safe routes is the easiest way to tackle it. The reason they haven't done that is because it's likely to be unpopular even if it's the right thing to do.
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12 Feb
12:26pm, 12 Feb 2025
18,464 posts
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jda
I think it's safe to assume that a substantial bunch just won't have bothered going through the process as they have no need to. Some may have ambitions of going back to their original country in time, some won't have easy access to the thousands of pounds that it costs, some won't want to lose their existing citizenship (depending on their country of origin). My wife and I didn't bother applying for citizenship in Japan despite having permanent residence there - which actually takes longer to achieve! But if we'd been staying there for the rest of our lives, we'd certainly have wanted to at some point.
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12 Feb
12:28pm, 12 Feb 2025
47,039 posts
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SPR
I've shared this before. It was true then and is still the case now. I wonder if high profile Labour members shared this at the time it happened (I think safe routes was still on the agenda at that point). |
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