11 Feb
7:45pm, 11 Feb 2025
6,840 posts
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Dillthedog
larkim wrote: And a timeline of changes in case anyone is interested from 1919 to the present date. gov.uk Top marks for proper dull men’s club stuff. I had thought Iran only changed from Persia when the Shah was overthrown in the 70s, not 1935. You live and learn eh? |
11 Feb
8:13pm, 11 Feb 2025
10,053 posts
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simbil
J2R wrote: Er, Turkey was one of the most egregious colonisers of them all. Occupied most of Eastern Europe for centuries! The Ottoman empire was a fairly small affair compared to many empires and anyway, not to be confused with the secular Turkiye that emerged from its ashes. |
11 Feb
8:35pm, 11 Feb 2025
5,830 posts
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J2R
One might say that Britain is also a completely different country now from the one which colonised half the world a couple of centuries ago. And I don't think the size of the empire is the only thing which counts, it's how they oppressed the occupied countries. And the Ottomans were pretty oppressive in places like Bulgaria.
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11 Feb
9:04pm, 11 Feb 2025
47,028 posts
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SPR
The question should be why Germany is known by different names in many countries not why other countries are known by one name surely? There's a wiki page on names for Germany: en.m.wikipedia.org |
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11 Feb
9:12pm, 11 Feb 2025
10,054 posts
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simbil
J2R, I don't think modern Turkiye is to the Ottomans what the UK is to the British empire. The Ottomans were defeated in WWI and Turkiye is the republic that emerged from the ashes with a very different national identity.
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11 Feb
11:15pm, 11 Feb 2025
18,456 posts
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jda
Different languages have different words for the same thing shock horror hold the front page.
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12 Feb
7:22am, 12 Feb 2025
26,610 posts
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larkim
Yep, the point is - national governments, for all sorts of practical reasons, take account of local changes in the way other countries want to be known. Sometimes it is language / historic (e.g. Germany / Deutschland), sometimes it is reverting names imposed by colonial invasions, sometimes it is a new political attitude in the area. And then the mapping associated with national government is changed to reflect that.
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12 Feb
10:53am, 12 Feb 2025
47,031 posts
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SPR
UK to deny citizenship to small boat refugees bbc.co.uk Trump would be proud. A reminder that there aren't any safe routes into the UK and Labour have quietly abandoned the plan for that. I suppose these are the choices that can be made when those who want better in theory haven't got an alternative/ aren't loud enough so you don't have to listen to them. |
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12 Feb
10:58am, 12 Feb 2025
47,032 posts
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SPR
jda mentioned the televised deportations the other day as well. What was the point of that?
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12 Feb
11:15am, 12 Feb 2025
18,461 posts
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jda
JB will be along in a minute calling us closet tories for questioning it. “Immigrants need to integrate, but we won’t let them” |
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