2 Dec
12:30pm, 2 Dec 2024
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Johnny Blaze
Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon. Watch this space...
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2 Dec
12:44pm, 2 Dec 2024
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Muttley
I can understand why Biden pardoned his boy, although I can see the hypocrisy as well. But the Bidens have been on the receiving end of years of pretty vile abuse from Trumpy, Maga, and other rightwing types, going on about the so-called "Biden crime family" and persecuting Hunter as a way of getting at Joe. They've found no evidence of criminality by Joe of course, but the conspiracy theories keep coming. But for Trump to cry foul, blimey, that really is rich. |
2 Dec
1:06pm, 2 Dec 2024
28,516 posts
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TROSaracen
US Justice system does my noggin in. Presidential pardons, political appointments (SC etc), partisan elections for judges etc - seems to be the very opposite of impartiality to me. Left and right both game it to the max as well, absolute nonsense of a system that creates an environment where political parties can use the justice system as part of their armoury.
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2 Dec
1:23pm, 2 Dec 2024
51,480 posts
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Merry Christmas and Happy NewG(rrr)
It's a weird set up, isn't it? You'd think Judiciary independent of Legislature and Executive was a bit of a fundamental in democracies, but apparently not. Civil war next for USA? 
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2 Dec
1:24pm, 2 Dec 2024
26,214 posts
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larkim
It's definitely "different". Whether it is what the "founding fathers" anticipated, who knows? So much of the US political machinery likes to trace its roots back to the origins of the Constitution, failing to recognise how much the world has moved on in terms of raw democracy. But I do think there is broad support for the way they do their business too amongst their population, so I guess at that level it is "fine".
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2 Dec
1:29pm, 2 Dec 2024
51,481 posts
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Merry Christmas and Happy NewG(rrr)
Though as I read a bit more deeply about the pitfalls of the purity of that separation, I'm starting to wonder if there is any good way to operate...! law.ox.ac.uk G
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2 Dec
1:35pm, 2 Dec 2024
26,215 posts
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larkim
I don't think the constitution was written expecting that the person who took on the presidency would be holding office in a world where that country was expecting to dominate the "world" in the way that the USA does today.
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2 Dec
1:49pm, 2 Dec 2024
28,517 posts
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TROSaracen
I think the constitution was just written of its time. 1789 - long time ago. I'd imagine the life then, the circumstances after the civil war made the 'right to bear arms' more logical than it is now. I wonder how many American lives would have been saved if that hadn't been written, so when the relevance of the clause expired you didn't have powerful fanatics clinging to it indefinitely so that its untouchable. Unlike an unwritten constitution it doesn't evolve naturally and they made the bar to amend it high. An industry has sprung up interpreting its rules in the modern world, and what it covers and doesn't. |
2 Dec
1:54pm, 2 Dec 2024
18,195 posts
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jda
Ultimately you can't really have complete separation, someone has to be in charge. In the UK, the lord chancellor makes appointments to the supreme court. Ok, there are committees and so on, but it's hardly independent of the state.
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2 Dec
2:02pm, 2 Dec 2024
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paulcook
jda wrote: Ultimately you can't really have complete separation, someone has to be in charge. In the UK, the lord chancellor makes appointments to the supreme court. The DM (and other right wing press) would still call them lefty lawyers whoever they are and whoever appointed them. |
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