4 Dec
1:07pm, 4 Dec 2024
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Merry Christmas and Happy NewG(rrr)
paulcook wrote: MPs have backed a bill in favour of PR. Just. 138-136. The idea, or at least the bill anyway, will now likely be sidelined never to be seen again. What? Hey, wait. When? Why? What?! Why were they voting in PR, how come such a small number were voting (haven't we got 620 something MPs?) Why wasn't it covered? It's a huge constitutional issue. Why will it then be ignored? I have Westminster flippin processes. Was it one of these stupid "Well you can have a private members, Friday afternoon chat about it, but it won't mean anything?" Aaargggghhhh.  G
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4 Dec
1:16pm, 4 Dec 2024
7,072 posts
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paulcook
10-minute (or is it 5-minute, I can't remember) private members bill. It's been assigned a date in the New Year, but no actual time, so will never see the light of day in parliament in its current form. So yes, something like your last line is spot on. There's certainly some political will there, as rich said "symbolic victory", just not enough. |
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4 Dec
1:19pm, 4 Dec 2024
51,509 posts
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Merry Christmas and Happy NewG(rrr)
*hate not have
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4 Dec
1:23pm, 4 Dec 2024
51,510 posts
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Merry Christmas and Happy NewG(rrr)
Found it buried in here theguardian.com |
4 Dec
5:01pm, 4 Dec 2024
26,225 posts
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larkim
Got Reform locally upping their activity in the wake of my MP's street brawl, presumably anticipating him stepping aside if convicted. I'm wary that it could be close. This was the breakdown last time. With the current polling, I wouldn't be 100% confident that I don't have a Reform MP this time next year, which makes me sick to the stomach. |
4 Dec
6:11pm, 4 Dec 2024
5,746 posts
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J2R
@Yakima Canutt , for many decades, in England we had a left of centre party (Labour), and a somewhat left of centre party (Lib Dems in their various guises). People left-ish leaning would vote for one of those 2. But there was just one right of centre party to speak of, the Tories. They got all the votes on the right and got in as a result, even though the combined Labour / Lib Dem vote was greater. OK, I know that the Lib Dem vote also stole some from the Tories - Lib Dem voters can be soft right, too - but on the whole I think it works that way. But now Reform have come along and are splitting the right wing vote. I have to say I'm not panicking at the moment about Labour's lowly polling, the suggestions they're going to be a one-term wonder. Yes, I think they're managing their public relations pretty poorly, but they are getting the full fire of the massed right-wing press, social media, etc., in an attempt to destabilise them early on. I think they're probably not too obsessed with polling figures so far out from the next election and are just getting on with doing the unpopular stuff early on in the expectation that things will pick up after a while (as I'm sure they will). I still think they've got things completely wrong as regards Brexit, though. |
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4 Dec
6:15pm, 4 Dec 2024
26,227 posts
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larkim
I'd always thought of the Liberals / Lib Dems as being soft right. Economically right of centre, but maybe a little left leaning in terms of social policy etc. Maybe in the 2020s that's not quite so clear cut. |
4 Dec
6:15pm, 4 Dec 2024
18,203 posts
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jda
Given that Labour only hit the heady heights of 33% on election day their current polling is hardly a surprise.
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4 Dec
6:22pm, 4 Dec 2024
26,228 posts
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larkim
Yep, easy to forget that the split was only 34/24/12 for Lab, Con, LD in the election.
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4 Dec
7:14pm, 4 Dec 2024
5,748 posts
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J2R
@larkim , I think the centre has moved quite a long way right of where it once was.
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