17 Sep
5:04pm, 17 Sep 2024
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richmac
But also because Starmer promised 'different' principle not value
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17 Sep
5:05pm, 17 Sep 2024
29,300 posts
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richmac
You can't say "Oh it's ok he only takes small bungs"
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17 Sep
5:06pm, 17 Sep 2024
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SPR
Yeah, I don't think saying the Tories are worse is the answer. Either say it's ok or it's not.
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17 Sep
5:21pm, 17 Sep 2024
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paulcook
J2R wrote: After 14 years of the most openly corrupt government of modern times, people are getting worked up about this? It's so tiny and inconsequential by comparison with e.g. the Michelle Mone scandal, or dozens of other snouts-in-the-trough incidents under the Tories. Just shows the power of the right wing press to set the agenda. Both are wrong. |
17 Sep
5:43pm, 17 Sep 2024
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Chrisull
fozzy - yeah it's a fair point on the article, I will wait to see the book reviews and see if they want to dissect it in detail (and it depends on if the reviewer is minded to do that). However it does partially tally with some accusations made in the Forde report (and the whatsapp messages). I doubt there is a smoking gun, otherwise we'd already know about it.
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17 Sep
5:58pm, 17 Sep 2024
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SPR
I don't think the Guardian article is all that surprising. It gives some formative years info. I don't know the author's biases though.
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17 Sep
6:40pm, 17 Sep 2024
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HappyG(rrr)
If the pager bombs in Lebanon were found to be the work of Israel, how is that *not* a war crime? Thousands of bystanders hit, with at least two hundred critical. Even if the targets were military, surely the delivery method is more like terrorism than a legitimate military activity? It's sickening.
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17 Sep
6:42pm, 17 Sep 2024
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HappyG(rrr)
And I was appalled by BBC's language describing it as a "coup" for Israel if it was behind it and a blow landed by them and so on. Lapping out how it was high tech, as if it was a movie. These are human beings that are being ripped apart in the street by a miniature bomb unknowingly strapped to their belt. A soldier looking down the barrel of a gun at another soldier is bad enough, but this?
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17 Sep
6:57pm, 17 Sep 2024
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jda
Well we've been supporting the Israeli genocide for a while now....
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17 Sep
6:59pm, 17 Sep 2024
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Dave W
Sorry Happy. Can’t agree with you. I’m a bit “live by the sword die by the sword” on this. Hezbollah has an estimated 120,000-200,000 rockets and missiles, according to the Center for Strategic and International Studies think tank. Most of its arsenal is made up of small, unguided, surface-to-surface artillery rockets. They’re not using them just for bonfire night. Hezbollah is designated as a terrorist organisation. They are a proxy of, and armed and financed by Iran. If this was Israel which it probably was, it was a sophisticated and targeted attack on a terrorist organisation. Sad that there was any collateral damage but probably this was a lot more surgical than drone strikes. |
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