19 Jul
2:32pm, 19 Jul 2024
5,944 posts
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paulcook
rf_fozzy wrote: If you're taking an emergency services ambulance on the M25 stuck for 4 hours with a rapidly deteroriating patient, then the impact looks unforgivable. Again, these are less exact figures are be a little bending of reality, but one Guardian journalist, said the delays to ambulances from ALL JSO protests, is worth 0.01% of all delays to ambulances because of traffic. |
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19 Jul
2:33pm, 19 Jul 2024
5,945 posts
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paulcook
rf_fozzy wrote: DeeGee wrote:I only do 1000 miles a month I suspect that's way more than the median driver. I do about 200miles, in a busy month. Often less than 100. The mean is 6,551 miles per year. |
19 Jul
2:37pm, 19 Jul 2024
22,701 posts
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rf_fozzy
paulcook wrote: a little bending of reality *a little* lol It's masking realities behind averages and exploiting poor understanding of statistics. So for example, taking your statement in 5944: -delays to *all* ambulances - is that including delays to ambulances including in Aberdeen, or greater London, or delays caused by the M25 protests? - delays caused by JSO protests on roads? Or *all* protests? Because whilst pretty stupid, I don't think many will claim that the attack on Stonehenge caused much traffic delays. How the calculation has been done is often more or at least as important than the number - but the headline number gets the attention. |
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19 Jul
2:37pm, 19 Jul 2024
22,702 posts
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rf_fozzy
paulcook wrote: rf_fozzy wrote:DeeGee wrote:I only do 1000 miles a month I suspect that's way more than the median driver. I do about 200miles, in a busy month. Often less than 100. The mean is 6,551 miles per year. Hence why I said the median driver. |
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19 Jul
2:38pm, 19 Jul 2024
5,946 posts
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paulcook
Hence why I also stated mean!
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19 Jul
2:41pm, 19 Jul 2024
2,598 posts
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MudMeanderer
rf_fozzy wrote: paulcook wrote:For context / contrast, I believe the average person is stuck in traffic for 38 hours per year. Hmmm. that sounds suspiciously high. It again might be an unhelpful number. Even if calculated correctly. It sounds low to me. If you have a look at some of the research by Henry Grabar and Donald Shoup, at least across the US (and I'm not sure the UK will be markedly different) not much short of that long is spent searching for parking having arrived at their destination (despite the US historically having some insanely high parking minimums). |
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19 Jul
2:43pm, 19 Jul 2024
5,947 posts
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paulcook
The US has, from memory, 13 parking spots per car. The UK, is roughly around 1 spot for every 2 cars. I suspect UK drivers spend more time finding a spot than the average US driver. |
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19 Jul
2:49pm, 19 Jul 2024
2,599 posts
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MudMeanderer
There was a statistic on one of Tim Harford's podcasts, that if the Empire State Building had had to comply with parking minimums brought in in the following decades, it would have required a parking lot covering 12 blocks! There are also some interesting pieces on the original developers of SimCity, and what it would have meant for the game if they'd required allocating space for parking. |
19 Jul
2:51pm, 19 Jul 2024
25,234 posts
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larkim
I suppose the point is, non-planned incidents on the motorway network every year will have much bigger impacts than the actual impact of the JSO M25 disruptions. And in those incidents, people will be equally or worse affected. And in some of them, there will be fault by the person who causes the incident (e.g. falling asleep at the wheel, badly maintaining the car, crashing whilst driving recklessly). The JSO incidents got national publicity and created (some) public outcry because they were deliberate. But they were, in fact, a relatively minor bit of traffic disruption in the context of the UK as a whole, or indeed in the context of the M25 over a year. |
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19 Jul
2:51pm, 19 Jul 2024
5,949 posts
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paulcook
Yes, the video I saw it on, said cities like New York especially, would no longer be possible - in fact nowhere near - under current US planning laws.
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