19 Jul
1:23pm, 19 Jul 2024
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Johnny Blaze
The suspended sentence thing was interesting as was the recounting of people who had suffered real financial, emotional and medical harm as a result of a peaceful protest. The most damning thing for me though was the passage where Hallam outlined how complete gridlock of the south east was on the cards - in which case people certainly would have died, I would suggest. I will leave it to a better philosopher jurist than me to explain how if “peaceful protests” actually cause harm they can become something else, and that should be taken into the reckoning |
19 Jul
1:29pm, 19 Jul 2024
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Cheg
Missed cancer appointment being put back two months could be the worst of the lot.
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19 Jul
1:30pm, 19 Jul 2024
11,530 posts
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Fields
What part of NVDA does your company not understand YC? If you want to see violent action look at motorists driving their cars at protestors / assaulting them etc Where’s their prosecution |
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19 Jul
1:31pm, 19 Jul 2024
11,531 posts
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Fields
Cheg wrote: Missed cancer appointment being put back two months could be the worst of the lot. Tally them against the direct and indirect deaths caused by motorists. |
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19 Jul
1:35pm, 19 Jul 2024
32,813 posts
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Johnny Blaze
Putting SEN kids and their drivers into a needlessly stressful situation was also a doozy…
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19 Jul
1:37pm, 19 Jul 2024
4,328 posts
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Cheg
Why do you keep taking two random and unassociated issues and mashing them together? What’s next, give more international aid? Do you like uk children dying? |
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19 Jul
1:37pm, 19 Jul 2024
4,329 posts
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Cheg
That was for Fields.
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19 Jul
1:39pm, 19 Jul 2024
11,532 posts
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Fields
You’re pointing impact of being stuck in a traffic jam in your precious car for a few minutes I’m pointing impact your precious car has on society as a whole If you can play this game so can I |
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19 Jul
1:40pm, 19 Jul 2024
4,330 posts
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Cheg
So the traffic jams were good because it slowed the cars down and there were less road fatalities that day?
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19 Jul
1:47pm, 19 Jul 2024
457 posts
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DaveG
I think everyone should have the right to peaceful protest, but with an obligation to not to needlessly cause problems. I don't agree with the logic that anything done as a peaceful protest is acceptable regardless of the impact. I don't remember the M25 being closed at all. It would have been a big news story, and I would have read about it, but I don't remember it. But I do remember Just Stop Oil throwing orange paint on a snooker table and the amazing visual images that produced. I remember the guy you chained himself to a goalpost at Everton. They were good peaceful protests as they got the message across and creating talking points. Closing the M25 is a rubbish protest. It's meaningless for people who weren't on it. It only causes bad blood for the people who were impacted. And it doesn't create any lasting images other than a congested motorway being congested. Given that people might miss medical appointments, ambulances (and organ donations) could be caught up in it, and people could miss job/benefits interviews it just messed up people's lives for no real reason. It's ineffective as a protest and more of an ego-trip of the scale of disruption rather than anything which will lead to change (which should be the focus of any protest). I don't mind the courts sending a message that blocking key infrastructure, used by emergency services, is bad, but disrupting cultural events is fine. So it's not the 4 year sentences for blocking a motorway that I think are crazy. It's sending someone to prison for 6 weeks for having a football match stop for 14 minutes because they handcuffed themselves to the goalposts which I think is a crazy sentence. |
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