Jun 2024
10:44am, 29 Jun 2024
21,310 posts
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Cerrertonia
Chrisull wrote: It does not - I guess there is no chance for the Conservatives in Brighton Pavilion. So the guide has no anti-Green tactical voting? It is mostly a 'Vote Tory, don't vote Reform' propaganda piece, but does recommend voting Reform in 9 constituencies where it thinks Reform has a better chance of beating Labour than the Conservatives. Finally some evidence of an election in the local area. Saw six posters for Rishi Sunak on the way to parkrun this morning, two Labour posters and two for the Reform candidate (which didn't seem to mention his party affiliation.) And the topic of the election was raised during our running group 10k over the hills last night - would be a Green landslide if we were typical of the electorate. |
Jun 2024
11:41am, 29 Jun 2024
28,213 posts
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richmac
So the mail trying to help Reform be the opposition
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Jun 2024
12:21pm, 29 Jun 2024
166 posts
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Joe1970
I was the lucky recipient of four election leaflets via the postman yesterday, one each for Tories, Reform, Greens and an independent. In my (previously) safe Tory seat I've had 5 or 6 things from Labour over the past month, and one from the Tories. And in poster news, I haven't seen one Tory poster around here, but have seen a small handful of Labour ones. On the leaflets, I do find it interesting that it's only our sitting MP who is talking about local issues on her leaflet. I almost wish I'd kept her leaflet from 2010 or 2015, as I'm pretty certain it would have said then that she was going to get a new hospital built in town, something she's still saying now. One of Boris' 40 imaginary hospitals, I think, although she's now saying she has "made the case for delivering the hospital before 2032" and Labour would slow this down. Hmmm... There's also breathtaking hypocrisy in that one the one hand she's going to "slow down Basingstoke's housebuilding" but is also claiming credit for getting two new schools built and providing a country park. Of course, the schools and country park have only been built as part of the planning requirements for a large development of 2500 houses on the outskirts of town...not sure you can have one without the other here! I am torn between voting for the Greens, who are far closer to my politics than any other party, and voting Labour to at least get rid of one Tory. Electoral Calculus gives Labour a 91% chance of overturning a 12.5k Tory majority, so it feels like they don't need my vote. But Reform have dropped their candidate in the last couple of days (he was revealed to be an ex-BNP member) so perhaps they won't take as many votes away from the Tories as they might have done? And then again, I've never voted for any winning candidate and it might be nice to do that once in my life... |
Jun 2024
1:39pm, 29 Jun 2024
22,531 posts
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rf_fozzy
Do not use electoral calculus for gauging tactical voting choices. That's now how it works. |
Jun 2024
2:44pm, 29 Jun 2024
5,509 posts
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paulcook
If everyone thinking about, wanting to or saying they were going to vote green, really did then it might not change much about the election result but they’d amass a good percentage of the votes and might just try influence Labour a bit leftwards again.
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Jun 2024
3:12pm, 29 Jun 2024
167 posts
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Joe1970
I'm entirely with you on that as an ideal, Paul. But at the moment if the Greens get 5% of national votes and that translates as one or two seats, they can be ignored, and if they get 10% of national votes and that still translates as one or two seats, they will still be ignored. (Weirdly, if Reform get 15% of votes and only one or two seats, they won't be ignored because the press love the cult of Nigel). So I'm leaning more towards the 'getting rid of one more Tory makes a Lib Dem opposition more likely' theory of influencing Labour a bit leftwards I think.
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Jun 2024
3:50pm, 29 Jun 2024
9,867 posts
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simbil
I saw a poll a while back that showed the green vote was quite popular, but hasn't reached that tipping point yet where it wins in many individual seats. I think they play it a bit wrong though, and whilst they should be very much green at the heart of all their policies, they could go wider economically and socially. There should be no barrier to voting green other than being sympathetic to the green cause. In other news, more Reform scuminess news.sky.com - are they actors too? Must be a cast of hundreds if so.. Telling that Farage won't apologise, he needs people like this vote for him. |
Jun 2024
4:08pm, 29 Jun 2024
32,618 posts
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Johnny Blaze
For people who like to drape themselves in the Union Jack they certainly seem to like Adolf Hitler a lot. Can somebody give them a history lesson?
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Jun 2024
4:49pm, 29 Jun 2024
28,217 posts
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richmac
Lol, just read on the Guardian that Reform have complained to the electoral commission about CH4's film showing them in a bad light
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Jun 2024
7:29pm, 29 Jun 2024
3,331 posts
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Muttley
If this is real, it's brilliant: x.com |
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