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Aug 2023
12:10pm, 8 Aug 2023
30,743 posts
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Johnny Blaze
He's 95% cheeseburger with fries. There's hope yet...
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Aug 2023
12:12pm, 8 Aug 2023
3,122 posts
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paulcook
Culture wars, deflection, and vacuous opinions. Par for the course probably.
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Aug 2023
1:31pm, 8 Aug 2023
15,273 posts
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jda
All those worries about how proportional representation might allow far right extremists to have undue influence in government have been pretty firmly put to bed by now, haven't they?
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Aug 2023
1:52pm, 8 Aug 2023
30,744 posts
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Johnny Blaze
I wouldn't say so! I think we can expect quite a realignment if it comes to pass. Who knows what will happen.
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Aug 2023
3:15pm, 8 Aug 2023
404 posts
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deslauriers
"Might as well say you sided with the Conservative Party by voting remain. Doesn’t actually address the issue and instead deflects things onto decisions made 7 years ago."
The difference being that Remain winning wouldn't have foisted the problems (all rather predictable- voting on the side of a known liar such as Johnson-WCGW?) that we now see.
You can't exonerate yourself by saying the decision that led to the current mess was made 7 years ago, therefore nothing to do with you .
I don't expect you to do so publicly, but I think if you examine the consequences of the Leave vote, you will see it led us to where we are now: extreme right wing, xenophobic government that (,literally) dumps shite on the working class (and middle class, come to that).
So, really, well done.
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Aug 2023
3:30pm, 8 Aug 2023
30,745 posts
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Johnny Blaze
Fat chance of socialist Lexiteers owning up to their role in the mess of the last 7 years, or admitting that they allowed themselves to duped into a shockingly misguided and self-destructive vote.
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Aug 2023
3:41pm, 8 Aug 2023
9,784 posts
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Fields
“I don't expect you to do so publicly, but I think if you examine the consequences of the Leave vote, you will see it led us to where we are now: extreme right wing, xenophobic government that (,literally) dumps shite on the working class (and middle class, come to that).”
What are the causes of these things in other countries? I don’t recall Hungary or France leaving the EU, nor Italy or Poland.
It’s almost like you are talking about the ongoing impact of the neoliberal state and the response of governments to divide and rule and to launch attacks on immigration to deflect from their own shortcomings.
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Aug 2023
7:06pm, 8 Aug 2023
405 posts
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deslauriers
Fields, you are kidding yourself if you think France is anywhere near as right wing as the UK. Neither is Italy.
It is almost as if you wish to deflect from your own appalling, ill-thought out decision by crying "Look, see, they are just as bad".
Is there any way in which leaving the EU could have led to a less "neoliberal", right wing UK, given who was championing the Leave vote? Is there any universe in which going with Farage, Gove, Johnson, UKIP ever leads to a more progressive, equitable society?
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Aug 2023
7:08pm, 8 Aug 2023
30,746 posts
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Johnny Blaze
I know the answer to that one!
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Aug 2023
7:19pm, 8 Aug 2023
9,785 posts
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Fields
France regularly let a fascist get to the runoff of the presidential vote and last year she got 42%
The Italian prime minister is literally a fascist.
You’re kidding yourself sunshine.
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